I am officially very tired of Joan Rivers and her tantrums if anyone looks sideways at Melissa. These two are tied at the hip! Could we please have a double elimination and let both of them go at the same time!

Jesse was so sick, poor man. It was a right decision to send the project manager home; he even said he was finding it difficult to be there anymore.

Brandee really didn't seem to be doing anything other than "helping" the construction guys. I supposed the guys enjoyed it...

Phoenix, I do agree. I'm really tired of Joan Rivers and her daughter. Actually, I'm getting bored with the whole show. However, I do like Jesse James, so I'll stick with it to see who wins. And of course the guest appearing next week has perked up my interest.

The Rivers are like this to me:

They are somewhat entertaining at times and yet mostly annoying most of the time. If we have to deal with these same Rivers experiences every episode, then I do hope they leave soon. Even though Joan and Melissa both cracked me up a few times (I especially liked Melissa's comments on the 'Annie/Brande' womance), but again, both Rivers can be quite annoying. If Joan is going to act like a big brat anytime her daughter gets picked on, then perhaps she shouldn't have been on this show. At some point in time, everyone on this show gets picked on. If you can't handle it, then you shouldn't be there. .... Joan is acting like Melissa is still a child in need of a mother's protection.

I loved how Trump 'tried' (and that's the key word, tried) to justify his firings last week with the group at the beginning of the episode. I think he actually even made it worse - he would have been better off to not say anything about it at all.

I just realized I missed part of the show!!!!!

I was reading a recap of the show on the front of Zap2it and found out there was a jewerly action! I must have set my recorder to end too soon. Mine ending was Trump called them back into the board room and that was the end of everything. Darn, missed some stuff. Oh well, still want Joan and Melissa out, tired of all the extreme mother/daughter bonding.

The first challenge was nothing special... they all for the most part did what they needed to do. Brian definitely needed to take the bullet for that one because of the fact that he was Project Manager... I'm kind of glad he's gone anyways because he wasn't very fun to watch.
Joan's little breakdown was amusing... she obviously didn't realize what annie was talking about because Annie DID call out Brandee like she said she would... sure it didn't take Brandee down, but the PM was willing to go.

This new challenge(The Jewellery auction) is very amusing. ANNIE vs. JOAN. This is much to funny. I have to choose Annie personally.. the girl knows what she's doing, if she's a little bit irritating about it SO WHAT! Melissa is really funny, she's so jelous of the brandee/Annie BESTY relationship. She did a good job at picking out the jewellery though... and the dresses, so if they somehow lose, I don't see her getting kicked out just yet. On the other team though I think that if Joan loses, she will get kicked out.

I am a Joan fan (not so much Melissa, but she has shown value), but Joan has been great on every task.

I don't think I'd be watching this season if Joan and Melissa weren't on...

Joan to me is a hilarious, hard working, spunky, classy lady...

Melissa can be whiny and annoying true, but I actually find the dynamics of her relationship w/her mom touching...

Enough with the 2 hour episodes already! I'm not sorry to see Brian go and I agree with those that say Joan definitely overreacted! Annie DID NOT throw Melissa under the bus, hang her out to dry or any such cliche. George was the one who made the comment that what Melissa was doing during the task wasn't relevant to the task (or at least what they were being judged on). Obviously they are not stuck in NYC for the whole filming...besides the breaks for Brian & Joan to perform etc. Jesse made the comment that he got the stomach virus from his daughter so he must have seen her recently. I wonder what the filming schedule was?!

I completely agree. Melissa gets on my nerves sometimes but Joan has kicked butt on the show. So what if she's a little straight forward? And I also agree that their relationship is touching. I hope Joan's team wins this coming week and Annie goes home.

I want Joan's team to lose. Only because I doubt Annie would go. I think Jesse will go because Annie said she would take the people who brought in the least amount of money into the boardroom. And Trump has eyes (Piers') on Jesse telling him to see how much Jesse brings in.

I am not a big Rivers fan but she has kicked but. She could be in trouble if they lose.

I totally love Joan and Melissa. Even when they are annoying. LOL.

I wish Annie would go, but I agree, I doubt she will.

Ok, I'm in the minority here. I really find the relationship between Joan and Melissa strange and I am not a fan of Joan's humor when she uses it to put down others. I'm not saying she hasn't been able to bring in money nor that she isn't a hard worker but she is just as overbearing in a team as any of the ones she has complained about. If I were on that team I would work very hard to stay in another room and/or be on the other side of town from her.

Ok, now this may come across wrong but I'm honestly asking this question and I don't mean to try and start a fight. I don't understand how you see Melissa and Joan's relationship to be wierd but yet you seem to be a fan of the relationship between Ron and Mike of the Biggest Loser. Why is that and what's the difference? I can understand the dislike of Joan's humor as it can rub some people the wrong way but I'm truly confused about the other part.

I can't answer for Phoenix but feel the same about both teams. Joan is over possessive. She over reacts when anyone says anything against her baby. Even when she is not there she puts her 2 cents in. She needs to back off and let her baby grow up and fight her own battles. Mellissa can handle herself. The "creepiest" thing Joan did was pack her bags to leave if he baby was fired.ridiculous.
Ron on the other hand supports hos son but lets him make his own decisions. When his son chose Jillian Ron did not like how he chose but did not over react and throw a hissy fit. He fights for his son when it is needed at elimination but tht is it.

Can Joan be overbearing & posessive? Sure... Right or wrong I think my 'mama lion'/'mama bear' instincts would kick in if I were in the same situation w/my daughter... As for Ron on the Biggest Loser, he was angry w/Mike and called him an "idiot" for choosing Jillian~~~don't know if that was just for the camera or if he actually confronted him.

One show is celebs raising money for charity, the other is about changing lives through health & fitness & let's be real $$...

Yes he called him an idiot or something like that but did not confront him at all. At least what we saw, And he was not angry he chose Jillian he was mad at the way he decided something so important. With a coin flip.

Joan buts in even when she has no clue as to what went wrong. She threatened to leave because baby went to the board room. Ron would be mad if Mike went home but would fight harder to stay himself. He would not give up.

Yes Joan may be very over bearing but there's nothing wrong with standing up for her child. And on top of that she wasn't just mad because Melissa was in trouble, she was mad because Annie told her one thing and got Joan to feel like she could trust her and then she threw Melissa under the bus. There's a difference. As far as Ron goes I'm sorry but you're wrong. He called his son an "idiot", maybe not to his face but either way he still said it. If it's supposed to be about changing their lives then Mike did the right thing and chose for himself and Ron called him an "idiot". That's not over-reacting right?

Yeah ok but you're completely missing what is being said. Mike made a choice for himself, coin flip or not. Ron called him an "idiot", that's over-reacting.

Joan knew exactly what went wrong, she'd talked to Annie and they were watching it play out on the tv. Joan is very protective of Melissa, I don't see what's so wrong about that.

Ron wouldn't fight harder to stay in the competition, he'd be pissed the hell off and he'd try to get revenge on everyone who voted Mike out.

Hm......

At Zappy, we agree a lot. We disagree often too. But, we always try to "respect" the different opinion and not tell them they are "wrong".

They merely see it differently.

We voice why we see it as we do, we agree or not, then move on.

Opinions are like.......

And I was merely saying that I think TrixieBell is wrong and I explained why. If Trixie has an issue with what I said or if she feels I disrespected her I'm sure she'll let me know and I'm sorry if you have a problem with what I said but I was voicing my opinion and explaining why I felt that way and we had moved on. Disrespect is subjective, what offends one person may not mean much to another so I'm sorry if what I said is a problem for you but until Trixie calls me on it I stand by my statement. We were debating out opinions and that was mine, I don't see anything wrong with that.

Welcome Trish...It's your right to have your opinion and BTW have you ever checked out the Debate board..it's all political, so I stay away from it. Thought you might enjoy it.

Have fun here in Zappy.

Thanks and no I haven't.

Oh I don't have a problem. I enjoy the back and forth. I don't like to be told I am wrong but I take it as opinion. I am having this debate on the Biigest Loser thread and apologized because I was worried that the feelings might get hurt. And Welome. I am loving all the talk the newbies are bringing back to Zap. I am finding much to read and say so keep it up and disagree with me as much as you want.

Trish, I want to make a public apology to you. I was in a foul mood when I came online last night anyway and should have known to stay off the boards. LOL. Its not the first time I've put my foot in my mouth.

I apologize and hope you will accept my apology.

Hey everybody, interesting discussion and yes, welcome Trish! Now you really have to go to the debates, they are fairly tame right now...well, at least 24 hours ago they were.


Very good observation about my reaction to Ron/Mike vs. Joan/Melissa. I had not thought about it. I do find Ron's attitude towards his son to be protective and I do support him. Perhaps its because Ron in a way is fighting for his son's life. Ron knows the problems that Mike will have to endure if he cannot lose weight. Plus Ron has the other son at home who is so young and already at risk for dying from his weight. He wants Mike to succeed so then they both can go back and help the other son.

Joan's reaction to the idea of Melissa being brought into the boardroom was extreme. If Melissa goes to the boardroom and leaves she's not at risk for anything other than wounded pride. Ron fought for Mike early on to stay fearing if Mike went home he wouldn't be able to make the changes in his life necessary to lose the weight. Melissa is an adult who has been successful in her on right; Mike I still view as not so much an adult although his attitude of pride in his father's weight loss battle is as much a protective response as any parent's. I see the two of them as helping each other to succeed. Joan just came across as hysterical and overly emotional about a negative word being said about Melissa.

I do see them as different while acknowledging that perhaps there is some bias in my reactions. Ron/Mike are fighting for a better life; Joan/Melissa are just fighting for....pride?

Ok so rather than quote everyone I'm just going to address things this way.

TrixieBell - I look forward to many more debates with you

RobLove - I completely accept the apology and totally understand.

Pheonix - I understand where you're coming from better now and I appreciate the answer.

And thanks to everyone for the welcomes