Wow - Great show!

The opening scene really started us out right. Jacob and the new guy. Good and evil? God and Satan?

The fake Lock (as we discovered after Lock's body was dumped out of the box) is most likely that guy from the beach - does he has the ability to changed form? Jacob says something like "so you found a loophole" - a reference from that opening scene.

The cabin in present time that gets burned down - Was that Bernard and his wife's from the 70's? When they find the ashes, were they the ashes of the happily retired couple after having been incinerated by the hydrogen bomb? If so, does that mean that the losties didn't change anything, just accomplished what had already been done once (or how many times?) before?

Back to the opening scene - Jacob (good) keeps hoping that mankind will come through, while evil, full of so much hate he wants to kill Jacob, pessimistically predict they will fail.

Dharma, I think, refers to the things that must be done to make it to the next life. "beings that live in accordance with Dharma proceed more quickly toward Dharma Yukam, Moksha or Nirvana"

what do you think?

I don't think Bernard & Rose were living at the cabin that was burned. And the ashes that were found were put there (and shown to us) on a previous episode. It is thought that the ashes circled the House to keep whoever lived there (anti-Jacob?) trapped.

Welcome, Sue!

The cabin was "Jacob's Cabin", the one that Horace was building for himself and his wife. Whether or not Jacob ever actually resided in it, we don't know. The man we saw in the cabin may have been Jacob or Anti-Jacob.

As for Jacob and his beach buddy, I'm not completely sold on them being "Good" and "Evil". After all, Jacob was shown wearing dark suits in most of the flashbacks. And there's still the question of who ordered the Purge.

Welcome Sue!

The opening of The Incident was the best scene of the show, ever! Watching it for the second time I caught the thread of the bigger picture that the writers weaved all episode...heck since the start of the show.

Yes, I think it's pretty obvious that Jacob and Darkman(Bubbaman's name for the other guy) are Christ-like figure verses Satan figure. The coming war will be the ultimate battle of good and evil for the soul of mankind. The destiny versus free will concepts.

The evil in most mythology/religion has power over the dead, so yes Darkman would control in some way Locke, Alex, Yemi, and others. According to the producers Locke is similar to the antagonist in Stephen King's The Stand and The Dark Tower series...forgot the character's name...but he has the power of necromancy.

I also think what we were told was Jacob's cabin is the cabin Rose and Bernard were living in, but the ash isn't their bodies...it was always there in other shows when we've seen the cabin. Yeah, in Locke's dream we were told Horace built the cabin...but the dream was incoherent and dreams by their very nature aren't linear. We often confuse things in dreams...and I think that's what happened here. Or it could be Horace started the cabin and Rose and Bernard moved in and finished it. I don't think we saw R/B's cabin then the one known as Jacob's back-to-back by coincidence. I think the presence in the cabin was always Darkman...Jacob probably never lived there. After all it was Ben who said so...Ben lies and he admitted to never having seen or spoken to Jacob. Richard went right to the statue not the cabin when he took the group to Jacob...the statue was where Jacob lived in the 1800's, too.

The Losties probably caused the incident...just like Miles told them and us.

Welcome to Zap, Sue! It's always nice to find other fans of Lost.


With the discussion about Rose and Bernard - something just occured to me that didn't before. Some of us believe the Losties may be "coming" forward in time when the next season starts. Well, that goes for Rose and Bernard too then. Makes me feel rather sorry for them after seeing how content they are - where and when they are.

Ok - I am still trying to think this through.

Did we ever see the ashes in the 70's time period?

R/B were also transported back (It is Kate, Sawyer and Juliet who discover them). So if they are living in the cabin and some time later Juliet explodes the bomb (with a rock) they would be incinerated.

30 years later all that would be found of them is ash. (And wasn't there 2 piles in that scene?)

In any case, I have got to go back and watch a bunch of episodes. I have a feeling sales of those DVDs are going to jump!

No, we never saw ash in 1977. We have seen it in three episodes set in 2004 and 1 in 2008. Ben told Locke not to disturb the ash when he first took him to Jacob's cabin. We saw it again when Locke, Hurley, and Ben went there, and we saw the ash disturbed on one of these visits, just as it was when Ilana, Frank, and Bram saw it. It's just one thick ring of ash encircling the cabin. Check out lostipedia.com for a refresher.

We don't know that the bomb went off yet, and even if it did the Rose and Bernard in 2004 would still be alive.

They look like two different cabins.

Rose and Bernard's cabin:

http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/bb89f3b8a07dbbc239495b35af94f0dc

Jacob's cabin:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:4x01-hurley-cabin.jpg

The ash was in a ring around the cabin, so it was placed there and not the result of burning or incineration.

As for the good and evil debate about Jacob and his beach buddy, Michael Emerson said in a podcast that he thinks it's much more complex than that. After all, the show has never been as simple as good vs. evil. And the religious refences in the show have often been used in ambiguous ways.

Here's a clearer daytime picture of Jacob's cabin:

http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/b8804ec33952a6ddcf1502acb0f0e142