Anyone see the Bachelorette or at least read about it tonight?

Let me give you my opinions and see if we can agree....


I have to start with the last date of the night first. So Ed surprises her with his parents. I love how his dad ask why they are even there. Duh.. dad i'm tring to win this girls heart by showing her my parents are freaks that are afraid of human interaction.

I actually liked his parents. And I am still rooting for Ed after his "incident". So he couldn't get it in the mood and it was on tape and aired on national tv. It was nice of her to defend him with the whole "we were both tired and he had a sunburn" thing. At the rose ceremony though she did pull him aside and ? the physical attraction. I can kinda see it.: )

I am glad he stuck around.

Reid- This kid I honestly can't blame for not being all on board. Realistically how often does it happen that you can find love that quick and know it. I know it happens but look at that ratio in comparison to people that are together longer.

She kinda sounds desperate to get married and thats #1 on her agenda. There is always sugardaddy.com where she can get paid to get married if this doesn't Work Out.

I guess we know what Ed stands for now.

Another ?...

Why exactly was the camera there long enough to fing out he "wasn't in the mood"?

Do you guys really believe Ed couldn't get "in the mood" or Wes "has a girlfriend." Both were definitely thrown under the bus by the Producer of this show. This show may have an element of reality to it, but to make it interesting, the Producer manipulates the editing in order to create conflict, protagonist, antagonists.

Ofcourse, you could all just be playing along, as the audience.

Did you listen to Wes's interview over at Reality Steve? Pretty interesting stuff.

Yes I have, finally. I dislike the interference in a "reality" show, but I suppose that myth was busted by ms smith post season one of survivor. Ruining a man's reputation is another thing. I'll tell you one thing, wes seems like a very normal nice guy, "edgy" as he described, but definitely not the sleaze they portrayed him as.

I thought the same thing JVJ. He really seems like a nice guy.

And because of his portrayal/character on the show, I don't think his music will take off, either.

You should probably listen to the interview. He has excellent recall for what he actually said. In some cases context is everything - like the Reid is a retard comment, and in many cases, they actually spliced his words together, and/or they used a Jillian reaction to something he was saying, that wasn't the reaction he was getting when he was actually saying those words.

He's definitely edgey, definitely a joker, but in no way malicious or mean. Not that this means anything, but he and Jake had a connection because of a Bible school/college they both attended. Jake sounds a bit looney though. Jake was told through prayer that he'd be on the show for 7 episodes, so since he was kicked off on 6, he was willing to come back and do what he did to Wes.

MC, why are you defending a guy obviously not well regarded by Chris Harrison, the studio audience, and many of the the Bachelor contestants?

Well, Chris Harrison would have no motivation in taking Wes's side, since what Wes has to say doesn't reflect well on the show's production. Chris Harrison is the mouthpiece for the show and if they made Wes's character the villain, he would have to go along with that. Also, Wes could keep his mouth shut, but they've disparaged his reputation, so I think he needs to be out there defending himself, as much as he is contracturally allowed.

I have no knowledge of other contestants disparaging Wes, including Jillian. Links? The studio audience?? What studio audience? He did not go to the taping of what's on tonite. Ofcourse, I'm west coast, so haven't seen it yet, BUT, it is surely within the interest of the producers to make him look bad, since that is their storyline. Was he even there to defend himself? I heard he was not asked and/or he refused to be there.

Also, maybe you should listen to his interview before making conclusions. I have made no conclusions in any final way, but his interview was convincing. I also have heard many of the bachelors say, on different occasions, they all got along, or "they liked Wes." Jake liked Wes. Supposedly he is friends with Jeremy from Deanna's season. Jeremey seemed like a stand up guy.

OK...was I just hallucinating, or did I see Reid in next week's preview??

Yes, KE, you did.

Fits with the little (knowing) smile Jillian and Reid gave each other as he was backing into the exit limo. This seems to be the "come back" season.

I guess we'll never know how he really was, because neither side is going to tell the full truth. I figure he is somewhere in the middle...not as bad as portrayed, not as good as he thinks he is.

And I couldn't stand him from the start either, Red. He can't sing, he's not that handsome; he reminded me of a snake. But he explains a lot in the interview that makes sense.

What bothers me is the letting of the Studio Audience gang up on him while he wasn't there to defend himself. And it's not as if the Studio Audience has the real truth - they are the same ones being fed any and all of the producer's editing! I noticed a couple of the guys were defending Wes....Sasha said something about him not coming on with falling in love in mind, but it didn't mean things didn't change....Dave got shut down as soon as he mentioned he felt the girlfriend was an x-girlfriend. He tried several times to say something, but Chris Harrison deferred to Robbie (I believe) and Robbie admitted his anti-Wes agenda was because he got let go when he did.

I especially don't think much of THAT studio audience given their support for Jake being the bachelor. I've known those kind of guys - those perfect straight A students, at the best schools, no less, get up at the same time everyday, watch everything they eat so they can be 5% body fat. I've even known one that wanted to be an airline pilot, a perfect job for those types, by the way, (he became an engineer, instead), but the Bachelor is not about becoming an airline pilot, it's about not being boring and having women adore you.

And why oh why would a guy come on to promote his music career and act like such a jerk. It makes no sense.