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#225524 - 07/17/05 07:26 PM Re: Brat Camp [Re: vector]
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I'm actually looking at obedience(sp?) school for my dog. She is out of control, do you think they will take dogs too.






Can my 2 pugs come along?? They could use some more schooling!
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#225525 - 07/19/05 12:56 PM Re: Brat Camp [Re: Trixiebell]
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Sorry, I'm still not interested!!!!!

Besides, do you really think that America will use this productively??? They'll just tell their kids, "Do you want to go there?", and the kids will say, "No!", and under their breath say, "It's not like you can afford it anyway." This is a country where millions of Americans voted for Bush twice and they keep voting for the same old tired representative and senators, so we're obviously not into all of that learning stuff.





Actually Ragin I have 2 boys and have watched Dr.Phil and Supernanny with them both. They both laugh at how bad the kids are but it always turns into a conversation on appropriate behavior. Also what they could and could not get away with. Both boye have a healthy fear of making their dad angry and are careful not to. And no, we don't spank them. They were swatted rarely when they were young but not anymore. They lose priveleges and it does work. Also simply saying NO!!! is a good remedy. My kids know if I say no that not only do I mean it but if they keep nagging not only will it be no but they will lose something else.

Shows like this can help parents see what no boundaries can lead to and it is a great way for a good talk with your kids. Yes I could say to them you will go there if you ever got like that, but my kids know that if I said it I would mean it.




If this show opens the very often closed doors of communication between parents and their kids that will be a big step, whether it impacts one family or hundreds...

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#225526 - 07/19/05 01:13 PM Re: Brat Camp [Re: june8bud3]
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I think the thing that made me sad was how many of the children were either adopted or from broken families, and how much they had tried to barrier themselves against further emotional pain. All that defensiveness, and all that fear, and parents who had no idea how to make them feel safe and loved.

Because to me that's what limits and discipline do show children -- that they are safe (they have a parent who is watching and will do their best to protect them from hurt) and they are loved. Parents need to be parents.
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#225527 - 07/20/05 12:41 PM Re: Brat Camp [Re: wimpeny]
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I think the thing that made me sad was how many of the children were either adopted or from broken families, and how much they had tried to barrier themselves against further emotional pain. All that defensiveness, and all that fear, and parents who had no idea how to make them feel safe and loved.

Because to me that's what limits and discipline do show children -- that they are safe (they have a parent who is watching and will do their best to protect them from hurt) and they are loved. Parents need to be parents.




Well said & I wholeheartedly agree~~~I have a 12 year old and parenting truly is the toughest job and yet the most rewarding job I have ever had in my life~~~lots of struggle, lots of learning, lots of patience, tolerance, lots of talking, lots of laughing, lots of hugs, and lots of love!

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#225528 - 07/21/05 10:39 AM Re: Brat Camp [Re: june8bud3]
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Shawn was very touching last night, with his growing understanding of his own barriers and the reasons for them. Nick's distress was heartbreaking.

I can see these kids willl make me cry before this season is out!
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#225529 - 07/21/05 10:51 AM Re: Brat Camp [Re: wimpeny]
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Shawn was very touching last night, with his growing understanding of his own barriers and the reasons for them. Nick's distress was heartbreaking.

I can see these kids willl make me cry before this season is out!





Yes...I'm torn half the time between hugging them and smacking them upside the head!

It was nice to see Frank stick up for Derek...he's the last person I'd expect to have a heart!
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#225530 - 07/21/05 11:18 AM Re: Brat Camp [Re: Redwing]
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Shawn was very touching last night, with his growing understanding of his own barriers and the reasons for them. Nick's distress was heartbreaking.

I can see these kids willl make me cry before this season is out!





Yes...I'm torn half the time between hugging them and smacking them upside the head!

It was nice to see Frank stick up for Derek...he's the last person I'd expect to have a heart!





Indeed, Frank kept talking about wanting to beat him up in the first days. It was really amazing to see him start to make a connection and care about something other than himself.
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#225531 - 07/21/05 11:33 AM Re: Brat Camp [Re: Canuck]
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I got to watch it last night...didn't see last week (or the re-broadcast of it because I was taping The Cut). I liked it more than I thought I would. One of the reasons I'll be watching is to see the kids go through the personal growth and deal with their issues. I don't envy those counselors or therapists their jobs...must be rewarding when you have success but so frustrating when you don't (or until you do)! I'm still not sure if I believe that Shawn made such a breakthrough last night or was "playing to the cameras"...everything he said was pretty much exactly what the counselors/therapist told him. Maybe I'm too much of a cynic

I do hope that any breakthroughs DO carry over to the outside world and when they are back at home with their parents!
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#225532 - 07/28/05 08:52 AM Re: Brat Camp [Re: LurkNoMore]
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Anyone watch it? I forgot to set the VCR
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#225533 - 07/28/05 09:15 AM Re: Brat Camp [Re: LurkNoMore]
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Anyone watch it? I forgot to set the VCR




Dang, totally forgot!!! Maybe I'll remember next week...
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