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I really liked it. Hope they can turn those kids around. Did anyone else think that the parents seemed ineffectual at setting boundaries?

I saw a news story about a military type of school (I think it might have been in Ontario but I'm not sure) that did this sort of thing. They took kids that were totally out of control at home and set them straight. Most of their grads went on to postsecondary education.

I think most of their staff was ex-army and it was run like a boot camp. If you got out of line you were either denied privlidges (like movie night) or given extra duties.

I remember the head guy was saying, "There is no such thing as a bad kid. There are bored kids. If a kid gets into trouble that means they're bored so we give them something to do. This year we have a few that still think they can get away with stuff so they're testing us but we'll win in the end. We always do."

If one of my kids went like that, they would be off to one of these things so fast they wouldn't know what happened.

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Red,

You just provided the reason why I refuse to watch this show!!! Too many parents are letting their kids run the home instead of them taking control. These little punks today just need a good ass-whipping and a severe grounding. This Brat Camp/Supernanny crap is just perpetuating what is wrong today instead of helping to solve the problem. F*ck Dr. Spock and all his disciples!!!

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Sorry, I'm still not interested!!!!!

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Sorry, I'm still not interested!!!!!

Besides, do you really think that America will use this productively??? They'll just tell their kids, "Do you want to go there?", and the kids will say, "No!", and under their breath say, "It's not like you can afford it anyway." This is a country where millions of Americans voted for Bush twice and they keep voting for the same old tired representative and senators, so we're obviously not into all of that learning stuff.

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Actually Ragin I have 2 boys and have watched Dr.Phil and Supernanny with them both. They both laugh at how bad the kids are but it always turns into a conversation on appropriate behavior. Also what they could and could not get away with. Both boye have a healthy fear of making their dad angry and are careful not to. And no, we don't spank them. They were swatted rarely when they were young but not anymore. They lose priveleges and it does work. Also simply saying NO!!! is a good remedy. My kids know if I say no that not only do I mean it but if they keep nagging not only will it be no but they will lose something else.

Shows like this can help parents see what no boundaries can lead to and it is a great way for a good talk with your kids. Yes I could say to them you will go there if you ever got like that, but my kids know that if I said it I would mean it.

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I feel the same way, Trix. Here's a good example on a more limited scale. LurkieBoy is in Boy Scouts with 2 boys that are brothers (one his age, 11, the other 13). The younger one is a real pain (has a mean streak). Tonight, after the meeting, they asked their dad if they were going to DairyQueen. He told them no, because he said they would only go if the boys behaved (the younger one "punched" another boy in the back, the older one wasn't trying his best). Imagine my surprise, when we walk into DQ and find them already there...hmmm, no brainer why the boys act like they do...

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Actually Ragin I have 2 boys and have watched Dr.Phil and Supernanny with them both.

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I'm actually looking at obedience(sp?) school for my dog. She is out of control, do you think they will take dogs too.

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Can my 2 pugs come along?? They could use some more schooling!

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Sorry, I'm still not interested!!!!!

Besides, do you really think that America will use this productively??? They'll just tell their kids, "Do you want to go there?", and the kids will say, "No!", and under their breath say, "It's not like you can afford it anyway." This is a country where millions of Americans voted for Bush twice and they keep voting for the same old tired representative and senators, so we're obviously not into all of that learning stuff.

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Actually Ragin I have 2 boys and have watched Dr.Phil and Supernanny with them both. They both laugh at how bad the kids are but it always turns into a conversation on appropriate behavior. Also what they could and could not get away with. Both boye have a healthy fear of making their dad angry and are careful not to. And no, we don't spank them. They were swatted rarely when they were young but not anymore. They lose priveleges and it does work. Also simply saying NO!!! is a good remedy. My kids know if I say no that not only do I mean it but if they keep nagging not only will it be no but they will lose something else.

Shows like this can help parents see what no boundaries can lead to and it is a great way for a good talk with your kids. Yes I could say to them you will go there if you ever got like that, but my kids know that if I said it I would mean it.

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I think the thing that made me sad was how many of the children were either adopted or from broken families, and how much they had tried to barrier themselves against further emotional pain. All that defensiveness, and all that fear, and parents who had no idea how to make them feel safe and loved.

Because to me that's what limits and discipline do show children -- that they are safe (they have a parent who is watching and will do their best to protect them from hurt) and they are loved. Parents need to be parents.

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Well said & I wholeheartedly agree~~~I have a 12 year old and parenting truly is the toughest job and yet the most rewarding job I have ever had in my life~~~lots of struggle, lots of learning, lots of patience, tolerance, lots of talking, lots of laughing, lots of hugs, and lots of love!

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Shawn was very touching last night, with his growing understanding of his own barriers and the reasons for them. Nick's distress was heartbreaking.

I can see these kids willl make me cry before this season is out!

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Shawn was very touching last night, with his growing understanding of his own barriers and the reasons for them. Nick's distress was heartbreaking.

I can see these kids willl make me cry before this season is out!

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Yes...I'm torn half the time between hugging them and smacking them upside the head!

It was nice to see Frank stick up for Derek...he's the last person I'd expect to have a heart!

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Anyone watch it? I forgot to set the VCR

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Dang, totally forgot!!! Maybe I'll remember next week...

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I did catch last nights show and twice I was in tears. Jada and Nick had breakthroughs as did Lexie. Jada admitted her feelings about her fathers death 4 yrs ago. His funeral was Christmas Eve and he died this time of the year. Lexie faced her terror and rapelled down the mountain.

But Nick had me sobbing. All his problems come from his feeling stupid beacause he has severe dyslexia and can barely read or do simple math.The reason he stasbbed his twin (or attempted to) was because he was constantly calling Nick stupid. The kids were laughing at Nick and calling him stupid and slow, so the leader brought the kids together and had him read his letter and explain about his dyslexia.

The reaon I was so touched is my 12 yr old has a severe learning disacility and often calls himself stupid. The school is great and he is managing at school but I fear what can happen as he gets older.

As for Nick I know what happens to him as He has been on some Seattle shows and News. If anyone wants the scoop let me know.

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I head that Isaiah had been arrested for a hate crime and vandalism on the news last night. He spray painted religious slurs all over a woman's driveway and the road in front of her House (allegedly.) That's just so sad.

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I head that Isaiah had been arrested for a hate crime and vandalism on the news last night. He spray painted religious slurs all over a woman's driveway and the road in front of her House (allegedly.) That's just so sad.

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OMG!!!

Let's go back a bit.

Earlier this summer, there was a boating accident locally. A 16 year old, unlicensed, drove the speedboat she was in into a party raft...injuring seven members of a family, including an infant that was on this raft. (What an infant was doing on a party raft, I don't know, but that's another story.)

I watched a little of the finale of Brat Camp. I caught the update on Jada...who happens to be from Boston.

Turns out Jada was the girl driving the speedboat.

No drugs or alcohol were involved in that accident, but Jada has admitted to smoking pot since she's finished with Sagewalk and returned home.

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It's kind of sad to think what kind of adult Jada may turn into. I'd also bet that her parents will continue to bail her out well into adulthood.

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The way she behaves, she probably won't live to make it to adulthood. I somehow see an overdose or a fatal accident in her future. Sad.

Shows like this really make me appreciate my parents more though. They weren't perfect, but they did a good job of teaching us morals, values, and that we would be held accountable for our actions.

If I ever pulled the crap Jada pulls, I would not have lived to see my 18th birthday. My mother would've knocked me out cold. This woman still believes that there's no bad behaviour a good spanking can't correct. Get spanked enough as a kid, and you sure learn how to behave!

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The sad thing is that the counselors and her parents all knew that she was not ready to face the world and yet both caved in to pressure.

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