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#298441 - 12/03/05 07:53 AM Have all the Fox cancellations effected
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Have all the Fox cancellations effected your viewing habits? Are you less likely to view new Fox shows?


After all the cancellations with Fox I have decided to refrain from watching any new Fox shows. I got upset with the canceling of John Doe, Tru Calling, and Killer instinct was starting to grow on me when it got canceled. I have no idea what Fox plans to do with Bones, but it is also starting to grow on me. There are so many canceled shows I can’t name them all I am sure you can add to the list of canceled shows that you loved. Reunion really has me angry because Fox offered to give me a 20 year mystery and didn’t keep their promise. I gave up on Reunion because of the long baseball break but I had hoped to buy the DVD and view the entire season uninterrupted but it looks like that won’t happen because Fox is not going to film the entire 20 years
I have a few shows such as House, Prison Break, Bones etc I will watch, but I won’t watch any more new offerings from Fox until they clean up their act. My time is too valuable to be wasted watching a mystery that doesn’t have and ending. I Lost 3 or 4 hours from my life watching a mystery without a conclusion and from what I have read here others have wasted even more of their time. I have also read from those that hung in and watched it that it was a great show. That makes me even more angry and upset. I refuse to give Fox another chance to suck me into watching a new show only to see it canceled.

PS Seinfeld had terrible ratings in its first season and was in danger of being canceled but someone in programming gave the show a chance to grow.


The poll question is
After what Fox did to Reunion (Reunion was the worst offence) and other shows
You may choose only one


Votes accepted starting: 12/02/05 10:00 PM
View the results of this poll.

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#298442 - 12/03/05 10:27 AM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: NYPDBLUE]
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Let me begin by saying that I don't mean to dismiss or denigrate your passions about TV. Everyone is entitled to what they think or feel.

However, I'm a bit weary of viewers who believe that a network or cable outlet "owes" them something specific. In the case of "Reunion," Fox never bought a twenty episode order. They contracted for thirteen episodes, which they will probably air, and ordered an additional four scripts as a show of faith in "Reunion's" prospects. ("Killer Instinct" and "Kitchen Confidential" were each asked for three more scripts, and their seasons were cut even shorter.) The viewership for the show, and its retention of "The O.C.'s" audience, was consistently less than Fox had hoped for. Cancellation usually results from that circumstance. Keep watching the shows that you enjoy, but don't kid yourself that they are guaranteed to continue as long as you want them to.

During the summer, didn't we all agree that there was too much clamoring for our attention on Thursdays in the fall schedule? The results are in; CBS and NBC held their own, UPN and the WB grew a bit, and ABC and Fox got ground up in the middle. That shouldn't have been a huge surprise.

If you need a list of Fox cancellations, both deserved and tragic ("Wonderfalls!"), watch the first few minutes of the first episode of "Family Guy's" second coming. Even if, like me, you have no use for the series, the long litany of Fox roadkill that Seth McFarlane reads off is worth a couple of minutes of your time.
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#298443 - 12/03/05 04:12 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: NYPDBLUE]
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Well, since "Reunion" is garbage, I would have to go with D) Cancelling it made me appreciate FOX more.

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#298444 - 12/03/05 07:55 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: NYPDBLUE]
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FOX cancels alot of shows, however many of the shows that FOX cancels I don't like.

Shows like Tru Calling,North Shore,Point Pleasant,Quintuplets,The Next Great Champ,Wonderfalls,The Inside,ect.. all sucked and were cancelled because the ratings sucked.

If ratings are low a show get's cancelled. that's that.
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#298445 - 12/05/05 12:55 AM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: PlatypusBen]
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FOX cancels alot of shows, however many of the shows that FOX cancels I don't like.

Shows like Tru Calling,North Shore,Point Pleasant,Quintuplets,The Next Great Champ,Wonderfalls,The Inside,ect.. all sucked and were cancelled because the ratings sucked.

If ratings are low a show get's cancelled. that's that.




Wonderfalls got pitiful ratings because Fox didn't really promote it (the only way I knew about it was from the glowing reviews from mags such as Entertainment Weekly) and they gave it a dead-end Friday at 9 slot for 2 weeks and then the Thursday at 9 death-slot (against CSI and The Apprentice) for the other 2 weeks. Both time-slots hadn't had hits there in years (Friday's The X-Files; Thursday's...I don't know what, New York Undercover, maybe?). A brilliant, SCRIPTED show lasted a whole 4 weeks on Fox; must be some kind of record. Their reality trash shows got better promotion and better time-slots than Wonderfalls. Fox didn't nurture or appreciate Wonderfalls, so how were viewers expected to? Fox was to blame for Wonderfalls' low ratings, plain and simple. The smart, clever writing and performances certainly couldn't be to blame. Fox just didn't want to give it a chance. Like someone else posted above, Seinfeld was a dud in its first season, as was Everybody Loves Raymond (also given a dead-end Friday time-slot to start), but both their networks gave them a chance and allowed them to shine (both becoming the #1 comedy during much of their runs). All Wonderfalls needed was a fighting chance, but Fox denied it that.


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#298446 - 12/05/05 03:14 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: Alan '59]
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However, I'm a bit weary of viewers who believe that a network or cable outlet "owes" them something specific. In the case of "Reunion," Fox never bought a twenty episode order. They contracted for thirteen episodes, which they will probably air, and ordered an additional four scripts as a show of faith in "Reunion's" prospects.




I agree with some of what you said but here is the problem I have with Reunion. Fox promoted the show as being a 20-year mystery. I interpreted it as being an implied contract with Fox. All their pre show hype and publicity said were promising to broadcast 20 episodes that would take place over 20 years. That was their enticement to get me to get me to allot time from my schedule and watch. They failed to live up to their promise. I feel as if they enticed me to take away time from my schedule to watch and I was denied a conclusion. How would it be if a network offered a 5 part 10 hour mini mystery series to be shown from Monday to Friday. You get hooked and invest 8 hours of your time watching and trying to figure the mystery. But after the 4th segment is show some network executive decides that the ratings are low and they aren’t showing the final two hour conclusion. After something like that wouldn’t you be less inclined to watch any future mini series from that network. I had been disappointed by past cancellations by Fox but I pretty much had put the past out of my mind. But the way things happened refuled my displeasure with Fox’s policies, it opened up old wounds. The reality is that Fox owes me nothing, but Fox has to recognize that other viewers and I owe Fox nothing. Fox has to deal with the reality that if they continue to anger the viewers, people are not going to sample their new offerings. I wasn’t sure if I was over reacting or not. I have read a lot of posts from disappointed people but wasn’t sure how many people felt angry enough at Fox to stop watching their new shows and I felt the best way to find the answer was to run this little very unscientific poll. Thank you to all that took the time to vote and leave messages.

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#298447 - 12/05/05 03:37 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: NYPDBLUE]
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Well, they tried promoting the show so more people would watch, but it didn't work... Why would they keep the show going if barely anyone else is watching.

I'm sorry that you don't get a conclusion, but I think its a decision that FOX needed to make.

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#298448 - 12/05/05 05:22 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: Gambler]
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I gave up watching it after the long baseball break so I only had about 2 or 3 hours of my time invested, but I imagine that others that stuck with it after baseball are more upset than I am. I think the show would have faired better if they had waited to begin the show after the baseball season was over. If they did a full season I would have bought the DVD set. Maybe the problem is that Fox needs to be more selective as far as what shows they allow to air. The focus seems to be on quantity rather than quality. Maybe a better selection process that includes test screening a show before they give it the OK would yield better results. To me it seems as if they just throw a big bunch of Poo Poo on the air in hopes that a few will find an audience. Maybe if they cut it down to shows they really believe in and are willing to commit to they might have a higher success ratio. How can the viewer have enough faith that is new favorite show won’t be cancelled before he begins viewing a show if the network hasn’t displayed that they believe in their shows?

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#298449 - 12/05/05 05:32 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: NYPDBLUE]
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I agree, the baseball thing was a huge disadvantage to FOX and its new shows, most of which are getting cancelled(besides Prison Break, Bones and War at Home). I hope FOX will remmeber for next year to not do the baseball thing, although it did help them ALOT with ratings.

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#298450 - 12/05/05 05:59 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: Gambler]
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I've seen every episode of REUNION and am sorry to see it go but it hasn't soured me on FOX. I don't watch most of their programming, but when I see promos for a show I think I'll like, I watch it. I currently watch The O.C. (which sucked me in by its promos). I watch each season of American Idol. I watched POINT PLEASANT and NORTH SHORE until they were cancelled. Would I be happier to see shows I invest in continued? Sure. But I am also relieved some times to see a show cancelled because it makes the choice of dropping it FOR me. I probably should drop OC since it hasn't lived up to its first season but I continue with it out of habit. I wouldn't be too crushed if it left the schedule.

I think part of the reason for the success of reality shows and cable series is the shorter seasons and limited runs. It requires less committment of the viewer.

In regards to being disappointed in never knowing how REUNION would have resolved its mystery...frankly I'm not that engrossed by the mystery. I appreciate the show as it stands as the chronicle of a group of friends who experienced growing up, growing together and growing apart through almost the same timeline I did (being a 1989 graduate) so I can relate to their struggles. The mystery's a gimmick and a clever one, but I'm not DYING to know whodunnit. I've been more intrigued by the twists/shockers the episodes have brought - Will's status as a priest, Craig being able to walk, the one by one reveal of who survived... more so than the actual mystery. I think I can go on not knowing who killed Sam and why. But I'm sure the answer will be told in some way, shape or form (as DVD commentary, press release or whatever), so those who really do need to know will be satisfied.

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#298451 - 12/05/05 06:29 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: Gambler]
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By the way, I would like to state for the record. I have been watching TV for several decades and in all that time there is only one show that I got upset and depressed over when it left the air, and it wasn’t Reunion.

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#298452 - 12/11/05 01:45 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: NYPDBLUE]
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I try not to blame networks too much when low-rated things are cancelled. Reunion is doing horrible, i like it and all, but really it would be pretty dumb too keep it around. They've kepy my fav show AD around because of critical acclaim. The Critix hated reunion. The only time ive been extremely angry about a cancellation is Miss Match, because i felt NBC didnt give it a chance.
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#298453 - 12/11/05 11:13 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: michael]
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I think there are arguments that Reunion is not doing as horribly as people think. It's ratings are low, but until this week (after it was announced the mystery would not be resolved), its ratings were comparable to or better than just about every other show Fox has aired on Thursday night at 9 pm. And that was with a weaker lead-in from The OC than Fox's past Thursday night shows have had. Reunion also has a pretty rabid fanbase, and I suspect there are a significant number of people recording the show that are not reflected in the ratings.

The fact is that Fox has nothing that will do well in that timeslot. The comedies that will replace Reunion in February will be slaughtered against CSI and the Olympics. I think Fox should have bit the bullet and given this one to the fans. It won't do better with any other shows, but it could have made them believe it is worth getting invested in future Fox shows. I know that I will not be watching any freshman dramas on Fox next year. If a show survives the full season, I can rent the DVD from Netflix and then make a decision about season two.

Also, I disagree with the person who said Fox promoted Reunion. While Fox promoted Reunion over the summer, it pulled nearly all of its advertising after the presidential address bumped the second episode. Other than a few promos during shows like Wife Swap or during The OC, there were almost no Reunion promos. It was almost never mentioned during the baseball playoffs or during football games, which are Fox's biggest promotional opportunities. There would have been ways to promote the show, using the weekly "twists" to drive interest, but Fox just didn't bother. I think Fox wrote the show off early, but just waited as long as possible to make the announcement.

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#298454 - 12/12/05 04:53 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: reckless]
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If I was a Reunion fan, if I was told that Reunion would not get a end then I would stop watching. However to be fair the show was dropping alot, however it did have to face CBS's CSI, NBC's The Apprentice, & The WB's Everwood.
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#298455 - 12/12/05 06:02 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: reckless]
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They promoted it alot thats why it had a good premiere, the presidential adress hurt it a little.
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#298456 - 12/12/05 09:04 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: michael]
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They promoted it alot thats why it had a good premiere, the presidential adress hurt it a little.



Actually, Reunion had a good premiere and the second episode, when it finally aired, did not have a large dropoff. The real dropoff occurred after the baseball hiatus, but the show stabilized at a 2.7-2.9, which was pretty much where past Fox shows at Thursday have settled despite having a stronger lead-in from The OC.

As for the presidential address, it really did hurt the show in ways that may not be reflected directly in the ratings. It killed the opportunity to have the second episode air before CSI and Apprentice started. (I also think the second episode was an improvement over the pilot and might have helped keep people around.)

More importantly, the preemption meant that the fourth episode slated to air before baseball did not air until later. The episode ended with the cliffhanger about who Sam married and was designed to hook viewers so they would come back after baseball. I think it would have been successful; if you look at viewer reactions to episode four, it was one of the episodes that got a lot of raves from viewers. With that cliffhanger, there would have been more buzz during the baseball hiatus and a hook for promotions -- showing the final scene of Will urging Sam to run away with him while Craig yells for her to open the door -- with the tagline "Who did she choose? Find out when Reunion returns in November." So I definitely think the loss of an episode before the baseball hiatus hurt the show immensely.

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#298457 - 12/13/05 12:27 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: reckless]
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Am I correct they are cancelling Arrested Development? I think it's a shame; we just got a FOX station again recently after several years w/o one (don't ask why--long story), so I'm just now "discovering" this show. I think it's one of the best comedies I've seen in a long time, but the ones I like are usually the ones that don't last (see: NBC's Freaks & Geeks, and Homicide: Life on the Street).
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#298458 - 12/13/05 10:25 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: stringfella]
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I love it too.it's on DVD, the prices are good for it at Best Buy. second season is my favorite. FOX han't officially cancelled it yet, but the chances of them keeping it around are small.
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#298459 - 12/21/05 01:51 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: PlatypusBen]
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Dude, Wonderfalls DID NOT SUCK! It was ahead of its time and probably could've worked in today's TV lanscape.

Here is a list of FOX shows that were cancelled WAY before their time:
1) Firefly!!!!!!!
2) John Doe!!!!!!
3) Fastlane!!!!!!
4) Wonderfalls!!!
5) Pasadena!!!!!!
6) Tru Calling!!!
And that is just to name a few......Oh well

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#298460 - 12/21/05 01:53 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: michael]
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AMEN on Miss Match!!!! Alicia Silverstone was AWESOME in that show and I loved it! Funny how it got cancelled because it couldn't hang with Joan Of Arcadia the first season and then Joan gets cancelled in its second season.....

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#298461 - 12/21/05 01:56 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: stringfella]
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There has been no OFFICIAL word of cancellation for Arrested Developement, but they cut the episode order down from 22 to 13 so that AIN'T good! On a good note, TV Guide and Entertainment Weekly said that Showtime and ABC are VERY interested in acquiring the sitcom, should FOX decide they do not want it anymore.

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#298462 - 12/21/05 10:43 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: Frank DeLuca]
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Dude, Wonderfalls DID NOT SUCK! It was ahead of its time and probably could've worked in today's TV lanscape.





Couldn't agree more! Fox did WF absolutely NO favors airing it on Fridays and then, even worse, Thursdays. I think Monday had an open slot or two, but they probably aired some stupid reality show there instead.

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#298463 - 12/22/05 09:47 AM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: Frank DeLuca]
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There has been no OFFICIAL word of cancellation for Arrested Developement, but they cut the episode order down from 22 to 13 so that AIN'T good! On a good note, TV Guide and Entertainment Weekly said that Showtime and ABC are VERY interested in acquiring the sitcom, should FOX decide they do not want it anymore.



I can't see ABC taking it--not "Disney" enough (well, neither is Desperate Housewives, but it's at least more conventional, which most ABC shows seem to be).
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#298464 - 01/07/06 09:18 AM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: Frank DeLuca]
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AMEN on Miss Match!!!! Alicia Silverstone was AWESOME in that show and I loved it! Funny how it got cancelled because it couldn't hang with Joan Of Arcadia the first season and then Joan gets cancelled in its second season.....


That is a show that I forgot about. I liked it much better than Joan of A. It is pretty sad the way Fox dumps shows so fast that we forget they existed. But now that you brought it up it helped me recall another show that was cut before it had time to grow

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#298465 - 01/07/06 06:10 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: NYPDBLUE]
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I'm pretty sure Miss Match was on NBC, not FOX.

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#298466 - 01/08/06 12:03 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: Gambler]
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Yep, it was an NBC show.

The show was better than I had originally expected, as I only started watching it because of Alicia Silverstone. Every time she makes that sexy pouty face... Well, let's not go there.

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#298467 - 03/07/06 09:33 AM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: Josiah]
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I would agree that more than any other network, Fox pulls shows too quickly. (Most of you probably don't even remember Profit or Adventures of Brisco County Jr.) I didn't even bother with Reunion because I knew it didn't stand a chance. It was in a horrible time slot. But the real problem is the quality of the show. I watched Wonderfalls and I thought it was horrible. If it really was a great show like everyone says, it could have lasted more than four episodes. I know different people have different tastes in programming, and that's why we have cable. The networks are basically just trying to reach the mainstream -- what the average person enjoys watching. Reunion and Wonderfalls would have been better suited for some cable network.

(Disclaimer -- I realize there are other factors, like time slot and the money spent on promoting or advertising a show...)

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#298468 - 03/08/06 10:30 AM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: NYPDBLUE]
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Fox has two different audiences angry about the cancellations of different types of shows. There are the fans of shows like Arrested Development, Wonderfalls and Firefly and the fans of the rather bad teen type shows like Reunion or Tru Calling which were horrible shows that deserved to be canceled far before they actually were.

My problem with Fox is that there is no intent by the current execs at the network to put on programming with much intelligence and just want to appeal to the masses rather than actually airing good shows. They have the potential with shows like Prison Break and Bones, but Fox has made it clear that they don't intend to ever air any show I'd actually watch any more.

I'm angrier at Fox for what they did to shows with lower ratings to try to make them more popular with idiots that watch reality programming than actually cancelling them. And until that type of mentality changes at Fox, I'm not interested in watching any of their shows.
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#298469 - 03/08/06 03:15 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: FaithFan]
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Faith Fan your favorite Tim Minear has a pilot at FOX this development season. Any word on it?
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#1536196 - 06/14/09 01:02 PM Re: Have all the Fox cancellations effected [Re: HiKaiKev]
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Fox canceled: "Terminator the Sarah Connor Chronicles", a good show with a small but loyal fan base. They learned nothing from watching the meteoric success of the Star Trek franchise after IT was canceled. Unable to learn from history, they are destined to repeat the kinds of mistakes that later come back to byte one in the butt. It ain't over, even when it IS over. Trekies raised hell. Opinions changed. Someone has to see a pattern here and pick it up for syndication. Small niche markets sell stuff too.

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