Okay, here's one we haven't talked about yet! Anyone want to admit they are watching it????

Besides me??

Hi Puggy, I watched 2 episodes, but the time doesn't seem to work for me. Bridge Club night and other distractions. But.....I found it to be rather shallow and there were too many guests that annoyed me, so I'm not taping it. The girl that cries at the drop of a hat is most annoying.....and that Dave guy...well, I just feel sorry for him. He shouldn't be there.

I watched 1 1/2 episodes.

I have been watching off and on....I am beginning to be disappointed.....they vote on someone new and then vote them off the week after....some of those egos need to go on the men's side....

I have been watching from the begining and i agree that it is getting kind of old seeing all the new people gett kicked off after their first week. It is nice that they are trowing in a twist and going to make the new girl send one of the origional girls packing to leave "Paradise FOREVER"

Hopefully it's "I will cheat if you don't satisy me" - Amanda .....she is causing alot of problems.....or maybe it's "don't touch my skin" - Charla/Carla - whatever......why do these people cry when someone gets voted off...its not like they REALLY like each other....

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Originally posted by LKL:
I have been watching from the begining and i agree that it is getting kind of old seeing all the new people gett kicked off after their first week. It is nice that they are trowing in a twist and going to make the new girl send one of the origional girls packing to leave "Paradise FOREVER"

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OK...I'm watching again.

That Toni gal needs to go. She can say "shut up" to anyone she wants, but no one can say it to her?! Quite the moody character. She really comes across as a total b!tch.

Of the new people who have gotten to stay around, why did it have to be Dave??? I don't want to be shallow (& I don't think I am, there have been plenty of reality "stars" that weren't exactly easy on the eyes......), BUT I have the hardest time looking at that guy. I have to turn away just about everytime they show his face. It might be different if he had a good personality, but he is a big jerk to boot!
Blech! He should have left instead of Matt, IMO.

I was really sorry to see Matt go. I wish he could have stayed and the rest of them all gone home.

I'm really getting tired of the 'originals'. Actually, Matt is the first guy that I've liked. Of the women, I kinda liked Toni but by last night, she's just too much. (Besides, it is her fault that Matt isn't still there!)

I'm glad that they've changed it for this next week and that one of the oldtimers will have to go. I think it should be Amanda. And the next guy to go should be Zach.

And bring back Matt!

Last night's show was STUPID!!!

Toni is becoming a really nasty person (substitute bad word).... I hope she goes....she was the liar!! She did not hear him say he was smarter....Poor Dave....he might not be perfect but c'mon.....why wouldn't Charla stand up for him?? She was talking with Dave at the time.....maybe she is afraid of being booted off because she isn't in that group....they want Amanda off!!

I agree Mama......Zach is a moron.....It is an embarrassment to watch him talk......quotes like..."I got lawyer in me" and "I have street smart" show school didn't do him any good and he claims to be smarter than everyone else. His 'tude must go.....

And the next guy to go should be Zach.

And bring back Matt![/B][/QUOTE]

I was disappointed that charla couldn't stand up for Dave when Toni was on him about him saying he was the smarter of them all... as much as i do not really like the guy it wasn't right for her and Zack to come down on him like that when what Toni was saying wasn't even close to the truth. I agree that Amanda has to go... she spends to much time crying... But i think i would like to see Toni go first because she is such a bag... and that is being nice. And then after her crying speal about turning 29... well i have news for her... i think she looks older than 29(i am 30 and think i look way younger than her)so she can go cry the blues over that one.

Hi guys!!
Okay...I will now admit, that I too have been watching

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Originally posted by puggy:
He should have left instead of Matt, IMO.

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Puggy, you are so right about Dave...he is so annoying and hard on the eyes . He just doesn't fit in. And it appears as though the guys are just mocking him and using him for their own entertainment. I almost feel sorry for him, in that aspect...almost!!.
As for Matt...yummy...he was my favorite...I thought he was such a doll and very easy on the eyes .
As for Toni...YIKES what a witch!!.
I love the fact that one of the 'regulars' has to leave...maybe they will stop being so smug

I agree with all of the above comments. Dave is hard on the eyes, he is a little more annoying than the others. If you have to be annoying,at least be easy on the eyes.(Did I just say that?) Toni is definately older than 29,look at her in the intro,she has BAGS under her eyes. I want her gone,somehow she is under the impression someone has appointed her QUEEN.

Does anyone remember Toni from that show Love Cruise? She was a drama queen on that one too!

OMG...Toni was on another show?!

I guess Fox doesn't adhere to the rule of "one dating reality show per perpetually-age-29-b!tch-drama-queen."

Yep. Love Cruise was similar to PH. They hooked up in pairs & changed roomates just the same.....except they were on a cruise ship!

It is funny......there is one other girl (I think her name is Tawny).....that I first saw on Meet My Folks then I saw her on Elimidate then I saw her on The Fifth Wheel. I guess she is making a career out of being on dating shows. She's probably been on Blind Date too!
(btw, she wasn't picked on any of the shows...hmmm... )

Finally...someone finally had the guts to break up the "in crowd."

Go Keith!

Absolutely!!! Zach was the biggest whiner, and not only was he conceited, he was also the most insecure person I have ever seen!

I hope Keith tears into them tomorrow night. I want to see someone not be afraid of those stupid people! And from the previews, it looks like he does it. And what is Beau so mad about Zach leaving? Zach & Alex wanted him out! I hope Keith (or someone) points that out to him.

I cannot stand Toni, Amy, or Kristen and yet, strangely, I can't stop watching!

Right on Keith!! Finally someone gets the idea of The Game.....they are not there to fall in love....they are there to win a game!!

Good for Keith also to stand up to that whiny b*tch Toni........now it is up to Tara and Charla to continue the changes......Kristen or Toni should be next....

I can't believe that Beau was complaining about Zach being evicted....I agree puggy.....someone should remind him they were conspiring to get him off.....Tara will make sure that doesn't happen.....better show this time around.....

OMG! I hate Amy & Toni!

How dare Amy call Keith selfish! She is not only selfish, but juvenile as well.
I hope Holly takes Amy out!!!

And I can't believe Beau was still giving Keith hell about getting Zach out, even after Beau found out none of them cared if he left or not.

No I think he cared after Alex admitted to wanting him or Dave gone.....Amy is acting so foolish.....and that question she asked of the 2 new girls......OY!!......they both must have thought what a loony tune.....but they both answered correctly.....that this is a game and someone has to get hurt.....now they are talking to keep Beau in for Amy.......yeah.......OK.....Beau better open his eyes.....they wanted Amanda gone and now him but because Zach is gone it is OK now for him to stay with Amy.......and want Charla gone.....I think Holly will pick Scott and vote Toni off.....once she is gone Amy and Kristen better watch out.....but the only problem is Charla and Dave keep picking each other and no one will pick Dave.....or maybe they will.....we'll see....but good show last night....better than usual.....

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Originally posted by puggy:
OMG! I hate Amy & Toni!

How dare Amy call Keith selfish! She is not only selfish, but juvenile as well.
I hope Holly takes Amy out!!!

And I can't believe Beau was still giving Keith hell about getting Zach out, even after Beau found out none of them cared if he left or not.

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Zack will be appearing on the David Letterman show taped earlier today. Here is a short transcript of the show.

Dave: "Tell us Zack, Did you think Keith was going to vote you off?"
Zack: "I am a lawyer! I got lawyer in me."
Dave: "That wasn't the question you idiot"
Zack: "Dave its simple; 1: I am hot and B: I am street smart
Dave: "Are you retarded?"
Zack: "No but I am a good debater"
Dave: "Would you say you have mastered debating?"
Zack: "Check out my Biceps"
Dave: "Go Home you masterbater"

ROFL

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I am so curious about this show now! Did Zack really say, "I got lawyer in me?" LOL!! Sheesh..

Yes he did!!! He was full of wisdoms like that one......I really liked "no one better argue with me!! I am a good debater." Too bad he's gone Chiming.....you would have to see this piece of work to believe him.....not only that....but he was verbally abusive to Amy and although I have no proof, he shows signs he could be physically abusive as well.....

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I am so curious about this show now! Did Zack really say, "I got lawyer in me?" LOL!! Sheesh..

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Yep...and Zack was the "most respected person" at the hotel, according to Amy. Uh-huh. Maybe dumbest.

The "clique" are very high-schoolish...only their group matters...they are soooo much better than everyone else. Poor Amy, her feelings were hurt huh? Well, doesn't she think that if Dave or Beau were voted off, that would hurt some people too?! Of course not...selfish people don't think.

I guess I kept watching this show because I was waiting for someone to bust up the clique. That is why I am a Keith fan! I also like Dave and Charla. I sure hope Tara is truly with them, and that (most importantly) they can get Holly on their side.

I'd love to see Amy, Toni, Alex, Zack, etc. in real life. Is that how they really act?! Then again, I have to keep telling myself...this is a Fox show.

I would think some of it is staged/acted to look that way.....I think Holly will vote off Toni next....she really likes Scott...I hope Tara is on Charla/Dave/Keith side and hope they can recruit Holly. I don't think Holly is impressed with Amy to begin with....we'll see next week....

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Originally posted by jagz:
Yep...and Zack was the "most respected person" at the hotel, according to Amy. Uh-huh. Maybe dumbest.

The "clique" are very high-schoolish...only their group matters...they are soooo much better than everyone else. Poor Amy, her feelings were hurt huh? Well, doesn't she think that if Dave or Beau were voted off, that would hurt some people too?! Of course not...selfish people don't think.

I guess I kept watching this show because I was waiting for someone to bust up the clique. That is why I am a Keith fan! I also like Dave and Charla. I sure hope Tara is truly with them, and that (most importantly) they can get Holly on their side.

I'd love to see Amy, Toni, Alex, Zack, etc. in real life. Is that how they really act?! Then again, I have to keep telling myself...this is a Fox show.

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Buh-bye Toni...don't let the door hit your @ss on the way out.

I wonder who's coming back next week?? I didn't watch in the beginning, so I may not be familiar with them...apparently it's a guy...

Oh no...what if the winner at the casino gets to pick any guy who was previously on?! If that's the case, I guess Amy is the cheater.

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I'm glad Toni is gone, but I wish it was Amy!!

Send her home to her beloved Zach, who immaturely rejected her the first day when he didn't get his pick of the "pretty" girls....but then......Amy has sex with him within the first few days anyway!......ah, yes......he is so respected.......NOT!

And NEITHER is she! If she calls Keith selfish one more time....... What the hell is wrong with that girl???

I'm glad they didn't have the new girl, Holly, sending someone home again. I thought it would be better for them to make one of the guys choose between two girls.....unfortunately, it had to be Keith again....poor guy.

I still don't understand Beau sticking with those losers.....he seems to "get it" for a minute....that they are using him.....but I guess Amy is good at manipulating him by saying how much she trusts him, blah, blah.....so if he did have a chance to get rid of her, he would look bad doing it.

I have heard there isn't a "prize" to this game.....so why do they keep talking about WINNING it??

Oh yeah, it better NOT be Zach coming back! Aaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!

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You might be right jagz........it very well could be Zach coming back!! I hope not!! It is probably Amy who cheats....I saw the previews but it never hit me until I saw your post this morning....that would be unfair to bring him back......after all the hard work and trouble Keith went through to get him off.....this show is starting to bother me....

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Originally posted by jagz:
Buh-bye Toni...don't let the door hit your @ss on the way out.

I wonder who's coming back next week?? I didn't watch in the beginning, so I may not be familiar with them...apparently it's a guy...

Oh no...what if the winner at the casino gets to pick any guy who was previously on?! If that's the case, I guess Amy is the cheater.

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First of all,yayyy Toni is gone. What will Amy do without Toni to 'protect' her? Sheesh. I think that Andon is coming back,he was a big dude,but decent enough.He was the second to go.

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Originally posted by jagz:
Oh no...what if the winner at the casino gets to pick any guy who was previously on?! If that's the case, I guess Amy is the cheater.

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An interesting thought indeed... but what if that is not the case? When a person is kicked off, they are said to have left "paradise" forever. Now the show may go and contradict itself by bringing Zach and/or Matt back. (but u never know with the "twists")
But I don't want to believe that the show executives would do something like that. Instead, I am going to believe that the show will contradict itself in a more humble manner. Every "new" has had to compete with another candidate. I think that past candidates will come back (especially Jay, the rapper/boxer, who was suppose to go instead of Keith but didn't because of mistaken identity) even though the candidates are told this is a "once in a lifetime chance" implying that this is their one and only shot.
But who knows... with all of the rule changes. Something better happen quickly because it's kinda boring watching these hotel guests plotting their weak attempts to stay.

That's very plausible too....I was thinking they would bring back people that were new and voted off after a couple of days like the singer/guitar player....but voting in ones that were not selected by the group seems better.....but they better not bring Zach back....

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Originally posted by JustWondering:
An interesting thought indeed... but what if that is not the case? When a person is kicked off, they are said to have left "paradise" forever. Now the show may go and contradict itself by bringing Zach and/or Matt back. (but u never know with the "twists")
But I don't want to believe that the show executives would do something like that. Instead, I am going to believe that the show will contradict itself in a more humble manner. Every "new" has had to compete with another candidate. I think that past candidates will come back (especially Jay, the rapper/boxer, who was suppose to go instead of Keith but didn't because of mistaken identity) even though the candidates are told this is a "once in a lifetime chance" implying that this is their one and only shot.
But who knows... with all of the rule changes. Something better happen quickly because it's kinda boring watching these hotel guests plotting their weak attempts to stay.

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What if a new twist would be that Zack came back but Amy had to leave?

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Originally posted by tvtvtvtvtv:
What if a new twist would be that Zack came back but Amy had to leave?

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Ooo.... I like that twist!!

Also if you look at the PH website from fox, Zack's picture is no longer there. They probably just take down the people voted off though.

Oh, thank gawd, Zach didn't come back! I was sweating on that one! Okay, Tom's a bit strange, but I think he is playing to the cameras now. So since he will have a room mate for the week, I am assuming he can be chosen to leave next eviction?

I wonder how they get the guests down to two for the final "win", and what do they win?

I hope Alex isn't able to be safe from eviction since he cheated (surprise, surprise). The producers should penalize him!

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Originally posted by puggy:
Oh, thank gawd, Zach didn't come back! I was sweating on that one! Okay, Tom's a bit strange, but I think he is playing to the cameras now. So since he will have a room mate for the week, I am assuming he can be chosen to leave next eviction?

I wonder how they get the guests down to two for the final "win", and what do they win?

I hope Alex isn't able to be safe from eviction since he cheated (surprise, surprise). The producers should penalize him!

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I ditto what Puggy said. I'm so glad Zach didn't come back. I'm appalled at the cheating by Alex and Kristin said she cheated too. They should both be penalized.

I was really annoyed at the short length of time they spent on the casino segment. They promo-ed it to death for the first 3/4 of the show and then only spent a few minutes on it. I hope we see more from it on the next show.

I agree about the new guy Tom. I think he is playing to the cameras. I have a feeling they will gang up and vote him out very soon. And I wish they would explain the premise behind this show. How will the winner be determined and what (if anything) will the prize be? I can't believe I'm actually watching a show that I know nothing about and even worse, it's filled with people that I find sleazy and tacky. But as I've confessed before, I'm a reality TV junkie and I can't help myself. I'm powerless over this d@mn junk. LOL

Cass

The new guy Tom is definitely playing to the cameras!

Arrrrghh.

I just can't stand Amy. She has become so ugly ugly ugly. Ugly in speaking. Ugly in behavior. I wish she had been the cheater and that they'd kick her off (also hope they kick off Alex for cheating...think Kristen cheated by being coconspirator).

Not sure about the Tom guy. He could go either way. He might figure that teaming up with Dave/Charla/etc would be playing Their game and he may want to start his own (in which case he will be ousted).

Sure wish the surprise had been to bring Matt back. He got a raw deal. He was the contestent that I've liked the best out of the whole lot. I didn't like any of the original guys from the get-go and wasn't foo fond of the women either, but thought Charla was the best of them (and feel that I've been proven right in the weeks that followed).

MamaCat, you are soooo right...Amy is one ugly gal, in every sense of the word!!

From the previews, it looks as if the "gang" finds out about Alex and Kristin's cheating. So maybe they get penalized (real casinos have cameras all over the place to catch cheaters)...or maybe their peers will give them what they deserve. (Maybe everyone else will team up and give Dave their Paradise Dollars? )

I didn't watch when Tom first applied to be on the show, so I don't know him...but he sure seems like a wacko!! I was thinking maybe the two sides will unite for one week only, just to get rid of him. Hmm.

I wish that Alex left last night, I am wondering why everyone hated Beau so much? I thought that he was decent,more mature than the rest. Why did Keith turn against him? It is by far the silliest reality show but I cant stop watching!

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If there hadn't been a certain other factor (Amy), I would have preferred to see Alex go. I agree that Beau has on occasion shown more maturity than the others.

But now that he is gone, it is much more likely that we can get rid of Amy! Yea !

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I wish that Alex left last night, I am wondering why everyone hated Beau so much? I thought that he was decent,more mature than the rest. Why did Keith turn against him? It is by far the silliest reality show but I cant stop watching!

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I wanted Dave to vote off Alex too but he must have felt he couldn't do it since Alex gave him some of his money. And didn't Amy go ballistic when she found out that Alex gave HER money to Dave? Amy has been awful with her treatment and comments to Keith. I think she has spent too much time in Paradise and needs to go home for a mental health break.

Poor Dave really was caught between a rock and a hard place. If he voted Alex off then Dave would have ended up rooming with Kirsten, right? Oy.. she would have made his life miserable this week I think.

Now what's up with that promo for next week? Two gals are getting a chance to come back again. Can't they find any other contestants without resorting to people who have already Lost out before? I don't like this trend very much. The powers that be seem to have a hidden agenda and are going to put on whoever they want no matter how many times they have to try out. This practice seems highly suspect to me.

Sad to see Beau go. I thought he was the nicest-looking guy out there. I think everyone turned on him because he wasn't a sure ally...he was becoming more and more of a "wild card" whereas everyone else was going to one side or the other.

I, too, was hoping Dave would turn on Alex and boot him out...I guess his conscience wouldn't let him boot someone who contributed to his cause. Therefore, I hope Kristin goes next week. Gotta break up the smug couple.

I was shocked Keith turned on Beau. How could Keith side with Alex?? Alex, Amy, & Kristen have made no secret they hate Keith.

I just don't understand it.
Maybe it was because Beau was honest & told Keith he wanted him out? But he also said he wanted Alex out.

When does this show end anyway? I thought the end was going to be one couple. How can they wittle it down if they keep bringing in more people?

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When does this show end anyway? I thought the end was going to be one couple. How can they wittle it down if they keep bringing in more people?

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I have asked myself this question every week. I didn't watch the first two episodes so I don't know what the premise of this show is supposed to be. I keep watching because I'm still trying to figure it out. I'm seriously questioning my mental stability for sticking it out with this pointless show.

Have they ever said how long the show will run or what the prize is?

And I still can't figure out how they will get down to just one couple if they keep adding someone every week.

Any predictions about the ending?

Maybe at the end they will have the winning couple compete against each for money. There will be a single person winning the prize instead of a couple. Does anyone know the rules of this game and the end objective? Please share with us if you do. Thanks

I went on the PH website, and they didn't have any info on how The Game will end or when. Maybe they will update it with that info later.
www.paradiseonfox.com

Maybe the last "original" wins...?

It's pointless to try and figure out a pointless show.

Okay, I admit it, I'm watching on and off (when Teddy's not)!

Aaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhhh!!!!! Why is Amy still there!

Well, atleast Kristen is gone, she was my 2nd choice.

They won't be bringing anyone knew on anymore, so now The Game can begin (and end)!

OK...someone explain this to me...during the ladies' voting for which guy gets immunity, Amy gives a sob speech about the "originals" needing a break. And everyone seems to fall for it except Charla. WHY?!

Alex needs to go. Hopefully Charla knows what she is doing (I think she does), and will be able to get two other girls to go along with it.

It will be interesting who will be the final ones standing. Any guesses? Keith and Charla. Looks like Zach is back

No, not Zach! Waaaaaaaaaaa! I hated seeing his smug mug again! Damn! He better not be back for the rest of the shows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Puggy, I am in total agreement with you. THe only consolation I had last week when they evicted Kristen instead of Amy was to think that maybe this would be a week of (well-deserved) torture for Amy. But now with Zach coming back...oh this is just soooooooo awful!!!!

If Desiree was being honest with Charla, and if Tara can agree to give up her boytoy, then Alex will be gone (assuming the Zach thing doesn't mess up original plans).

Maybe Zach can convince Amy to leave with him? That would be great! But he looked angry in the preview didn't he?

I would like Charla to be in the final with either Dave or Keith. I absolutely do NOT want Amy to 'win'.

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Originally posted by Cassidy:
I have asked myself this question every week. I didn't watch the first two episodes so I don't know what the premise of this show is supposed to be. I keep watching because I'm still trying to figure it out. I'm seriously questioning my mental stability for sticking it out with this pointless show.

Have they ever said how long the show will run or what the prize is?

And I still can't figure out how they will get down to just one couple if they keep adding someone every week.

Any predictions about the ending?

Maybe at the end they will have the winning couple compete against each for money. There will be a single person winning the prize instead of a couple. Does anyone know the rules of this game and the end objective? Please share with us if you do. Thanks

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Well, the premise of the show (to the best of my knowledge) is stay in "paradise" to the very end. The "ultimate" prize has not yet been revealed to the public nor the guests. I believe this is just a play by the producers to make the prize seem so much more desirable. It would be ironic if the prize wasn't actually wantable and the winning couple worked hard for nothing.

I also have a hutch about how the winning couple will be chosen. First off, people will be voted off (as they are doing now) until two or three couples are left. Then, I bet everyone that was a former guest will come back as a jury (kinda like on survivor and other reality shows). This "jury" will then vote on the winning couple.

Just a thought...

Hey MamaCat!

I hope Alex leaves this week. But I am wondering why Keith wants Scott gone so much more than Alex? It seems to me that Alex (along with Amy) has treated Keith the worst.

I about fell out when Keith told Charla he was "putting his foot down" about them voting Scott out over Alex. Pleeeasssse!

Whoa...I must have missed the previews...Zach comes back?! What I'd like to see, is Kristin come back after seeing the tapes of Alex frolicking. If the bootees form a "jury" then I can't see Kristin tossing her vote to him!

I, too, was wondering why Keith wanted Scott out so badly. Maybe he feels he can control Alex...?!?!? Or maybe he wants to gain control over Holly...?

Sure was hoping that instead of allowing the King and Queen select the next evictee, that it would have been either the King or Queen voted off by the rest of the cast. By allowing the majority to elect them, it assured that a minority would go. Too predictable. When you have a show that has no rules, mess with their minds.

Yes! Alex is gone!

Not sure what Keith was meaning about getting rid of Scott. Was Scott protecting Amy?

And now I am a tiny bit mollified about Zach coming back because it isn't just him! It's everyone! INCLUDING MATT !!!

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As much as I love reality shows, this one just turned my stomach. What useless, shallow people they all seem to be. I couldn't find any Saving Grace in any of those people so haven't watched it for some time. I got very, very tired of that queen bee one who thinks she should have the final say on everything and is forever crying when someone leaves...think she is Toni...the stripey, haired one who has very broad shoulders...is that the right one. And Dave...ICK. How did he ever get on in the first place and why do they keep him on? Big puzzle to me.

Oh, that show just upset me so much!! That whole crew (Zach, Amy, Kristin, Andon, etc) need to go back to where they came from...high school! Grow up!!

Thankfully it looks like the "good guys" keep their control next episode. But it all just makes me so angry how they ganged up on Charla. Puh-leez. Amy, Kristin, and Toni said things that were ten times worse. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I totally agree jagz!

It literally made me sick to my stomach!
I hope the 4 fight back hard. I DO NOT understand what Beau's problem is! If he watched the shows, then he should know that everyone of the "originals" wanted him off, why is he targeting the Charla4?
And Andon? What a jerk!

I went to the Paradise Hotel website message boards hoping to get some validation for my feelings, and I was not disappointed! 99% of the people were disgusted with tonight's show and many mentioning feeling sick watching it (like me). There were a few threads to Fox blasting them for bringing those idiots back.

I don't see how people like Zach watched the shows, saw how they acted and then came back acting 10x worse! They are the biggest group of hypocrites I have ever seen. They are just mad that they are getting beaten at their own game & the other "team" is kicking their asses out of there!

I hope the returning Guests don't get any power to vote for the winner! That would suck! The host needs to come out and remind all those losers what hypocritical jerks those people are being. It makes me sad that there are actually people like that in the world. How can they watch the shows & come back acting like they did nothing wrong & never talked & schemed against the others!

Damn this show really pissed me off!

Amanda is the one who really pissed me off in this episode. She goes to comfort Charla and offers words of encouragement to Dave and Keith, but she doesn't call down the others on their actions in the House. I would have loved to see the look on Amy's, that little bitch, face when Amanda told her about Zach and all of his other little tramp trollops in the House.

I didn't like those snobby junvenile brats to begin with and now they are so disgusting!

If they are 'allowed' to vote who wins, then you know it will be Amy and Scott. Yuck.

Well, then again, we don't really know what they win do we? Perhaps it is a lifetime in therapy to learn how to become a decent human being. Amy sure could use that!

I hope, though, that the brats get their come-uppance and that the good/"new" ones win (and it's a good prize for them). I think at this point I'd mostly go for Keith and Tara for 1st and Dave and Charla for 2nd (because I'm not sure if Dave really realizes what a jerk Amy is and I'm disappointed in Charla for not standing up for herself).

If the selfish bitter brats get to vote, then I am very very angry at the producers/network for allowing such a shoddy ending to occur.

Whew! I'm glad that I am not the only one that got upset at last night's show. Keith and CO look stunned,I hope that they hold together. I don't think that Scott is so bad, but maybe he is guilty by association. Wait until Toni and Alex come back,yech. Imagine these people in real life, I hope that their family says WTF after seeing these episodes :P

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Originally posted by puggy:
I totally agree jagz!

It literally made me sick to my stomach!
I hope the 4 fight back hard. I DO NOT understand what Beau's problem is! If he watched the shows, then he should know that everyone of the "originals" wanted him off, why is he targeting the Charla4?
And Andon? What a jerk!

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UGH !!! I almost Lost my dinner watching that show. I couldn't believe the gang free-for-all that was going on. What are these producers looking for? Do they call that entertainment? I was so hoping for an eviction last night and I was praying it would be Amy. Then to see Zach strut down those stairs it turned my stomach. And then to see that slut Kirsten return really made me angry. I thought I had seen the last of that tramp. And now tonight the one I disliked the MOST will be back. I don't even want to type the name (T). This is the most unfair twist I've even seen in a reality gameshow. They were truly evil people ... inside and out. I don't see how the show can redeem itself tonite after that awful display of bullies.

If I was the Charla clan, I would have locked my door and stayed in my room for the 48 hours they will be there. I would have refused to subject myself to their abuse. What would the producers have done then? Who would the bullies take their venom out on then? Would they have turned on each other? Hah ... that would have been good to watch them self destruct.

**Sigh** I can dream, can't I?

I watched Monday's show as well and I agree with you all!! What a piece of crap!!

MamaCat: when that many people are ganging up on you, then it is best to hide and weather the storm. I felt sorry for Charla.

I am glad Tara let Amy have it.....I would love to see her smack that condescending nutball. Toni, Alex, Matt and Kavita return tonight!! I would like to see them get their come-uppance tonight!!

Revenge...of the New people!!!

Beau must be on another planet!! How could he say he watched the show and miss all those comments made to him from the originals?? Also, he didn't leave on very good terms by calling everyone untrustworthy!! Kudos to Amanda for recognizing what they did to her!! Hopefully she will get a chance to speak up. Maybe Toni will turn the tables on her old gang.....we will se tonight!!

It's gotta turn around tonight...why would they show us all that garbage? (Ok, ok, I know...they're Fox. ) I have a feeling the Dave/Keith/Charla/Tara alliance will have the last word.

In the meantime...check this out http://www.davekerpen.com

Ok, tonight was my first time watching this show, and holy crap is that Toni chick a BITCH!! I could not believe that she is still walking and talking in this world considering the way she treats people. Amy doesn't appear to be any better, she is just a shadow of all the visitors this week. Don't care too much for the whole dave/charla thing, but at least they are human and not psycho freaks.

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Originally posted by MamaCat:
Perhaps it is a lifetime in therapy to learn how to become a decent human being. Amy sure could use that!

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Good one MamaC! LMAO!

Tonight wasn't quite as bad, but I still had to try to stomach Toni & her bulging eyes! She thinks she is better than everyone there? HA! I loved when Charla talked about how people in her family who are 30 (like Toni) are married, have stable lives, etc. and don't go around screaming at 21 year olds! I wish she would have said that to Toni, but atleast I know Toni will see it. I still can't believe that these people think they did nothing wrong. Charla never pretended to be innocent. I don't know what all these lies the losers keep talking about!

Toni cracked me up when she was talking about Tara going from one guy to the next.....talk about hypocrisy! What about her and especially her good friend Kristen!! She even made out with Dave!!!

Zach is so gross. I have a hard time looking at his face! I can't believe that the losers didn't get any negative feedback while they were out. I would love to give them MY feedback!

Speaking of that, where did you find Dave's site, jagz? I'm going to send him and email and am also going to try to find some of the losers so I can send them ones too!

I hope the Charla gang doesn't fall for Andon's crap. I still don't understand what that guy's problem is! He's been gone since week 2! Grow up!

I hope Amanda or Kavita get voted back for the girls, and Matt for the guys.

I'm with you Puggy. I want Matt and Kavita back also. That would be the best move for the alliance. I like Amanda, but she is too wishy-washy. Kavita has a bone to pick with Amy, and she'll do everything she can to get that bitch out. Once she's gone, I don't care who wins.

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I'm concerned with the vote next week. Charla and Tara only have their own 2 votes. Unless I'm forgetting someone, Amy seems to have Desiree and Holly on her side. So they have the majority votes on which guy returns. Thank the gods of reality TV for eliminating Zack making him ineligible to be voted back in. YEAH !! Take that Amy you b*i*t*c*h. Your guy can't come back and stay with you to wreck havoc on the newbies. (excuse me a moment while I do my happy dance around my chair) LOL.

Same vote count goes for the guys. Dave and Keith against Tom, Scott and ?? I forget if there is a 5th guy there. Scott seemed to be on D & K's side tonite when he came to the room and talked with them against the way the visitors behaved last week. But he has his own problems with Holly because of all the attention he is paying to Melanie. You can bet the farm that Holly won't be voting for Melanie to stay on. And I don't want that idiot Andon to stay either. Matt was really schmoozing Charla and the girls but I wonder if he is really sincere. And Kavita ... is she faking it? Amanda too ... can she be trusted?

I'll gag if Toni gets voted back in. I can't watch any more episodes with her. She truely makes me sick. Her personality is so toxic that I get a migraine watching her. They worked so hard to get rid of her the last time, it would be a shame if they had to endure her again for the rest of their time there. It really would spoil the show for me. But who knows what will happen next. I'll be glued to my seat next Monday and pooh on them for pitting it against BB on Wednesday. It will be VCR and tivo time for those who have them.

Originally posted by Cassidy:
"I'm concerned with the vote next week. Charla and Tara only have their own 2 votes. Unless I'm forgetting someone, Amy seems to have Desiree and Holly on her side."

Last night, Dave consoled Holly when she was upset about Scott and Melanie. If I were the alliance, I'd have Matt schmooze Holly while Scott is off playing with Melanie to get her to vote with Charla and Tara.

I'm sure the next elimination will involve the formation of the final four couples that will compete for the "ultimate prize" (is that the dumbest thing you've ever heard in any reality show yet), so it would be to Holly's advantage to have another guy around in case Melanie comes back. That's why I'm now thinking that it may be best for Dave and Keith to vote with Scott to bring Melanie back. At the selection, if Holly goes to Matt, Scott may have to choose between Melanie and Amy. Who would he pick?

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Good to see that Zack got himself eliminated! Now that just leaves Toni. Two more oblivious and obnoxious individuals couldn't exist, and they are Amy's Heroes.. These people are acting like they are 8 or 9 and are the class bullies!! LOL!!

Did I hear Zach tell Amy that he'd move to L.A. with her and support her efforts as a dancer? Or is that just wishful thinking on my part!? I'd LOVE to see both of them come here to LaLa land, where scumbag Zach would see too many beautiful women for his super-inflated ego to allow him to even be SEEN with Amy! Then...after her dumped her, those women would quickly teach him how below average he really is. And as for Amy...please come here, even if by yourself, as I KNOW that your dancing ability and looks will not get you ANYWHERE!!!!! Strip clubs or a porn productions wouldn't even give you a job. WHAT LOSERS!!!!!!!!!

I watched the Wednesday show. I have been watching this from the very start. I think Zach crossed the line with Keith. I have some friends who if Zach made a threat like that to them they would have busted a cap or worse. Zach has some real issues. He going to say the wrong thing to the wrong person and all hell will break.
I also hate Andon ( the guy with the huge tattoos) for attacking Dave. I have the most respect for Keith and Dave. Keith handled himself very well when Zach attacked him. It hurt me to see Alex and the others make fun of Dave. Dave may not have the looks but he has a heart. I went to the web sight and EVERYONE hates Zach, Amy, Toni, Andon, and the rest of the nasty trio.

The Zack and Amy gang are just...horrendous!!! First of all, I know 13-year-olds who are more mature!! What kind of adult threatens to beat someone up with 50 henchmen? Or makes fun of another adult's ears? Or plays the Toni "I don't wanna listen to you, but you better listen to me" game? Geesh!! Ya know, if I were there, I would just be sitting in a chair in the corner, sipping a drink, and laughing hysterically at those adult wannabes!!!

As for The Game...well I am hoping the women will be all right, because I think Holly can possibly be swayed over to the Charla/Tara side (because of Melanie stealing Scott). That should clear the way for Matt (the only nice male visitor!) to return. As for the women...I'd like to see Amanda or Kavita come back, but that will likely be a 2-2 vote...unless perhaps Tom refuses to vote with Scott to bring Melanie back, then Dave/Keith could win with only two votes. Hmm...gonna be interesting!!

I found a radio interview with Zach (I'm assuming it is after the first time he left) on a station in Salt Lake. He, of course, blamed most everything on editing. The first thing the dj's said when he came on (he called in) was "do you realize how bad you came off on the show" I loved it cause they also called him an idiot, asshole & d*ckhead! hehehe. When they asked if he regrets how he acted he only will say he regrets how he acted with Amy the first couple of nights. The female dj said she thought Amy must have low self-esteem because she slept with him the first night after he treated her like crap (ha!) Of course, he said that the producers didn't show them having the "real deep conversation" they had before they jumped into bed (oh, well that changes my opinion -- NOT)

He still can't seem to get a grip on how bad he was on the show. He said he went to the PH website & that they had a petition with 1000 people wanting him back on the show (I KNOW he didn't read the whole thread then, because anytime anyone starts any sort of nice Zach thread over there, it end its up being trashed -- the first few might be nice then the next 999 are Zach sucks posts!!) But, unfortunately, he had the dj's convinced and then said "well there was a few negative comments, too" A FEW?? Has anyone been over there?? A FEW?? This guy IS a piece of work.

The dj's said "what is up with Toni?" And Zach said that she was like that--one day she would be sweet & the next her emotions would get the better of her. One dj said "isn't that called Bi-Polar" I about fell off my chair laughing with that comment!

By the end of the interview, the dj's said he had redeemed himself (not to me) and they were ready to trash him when he came on (which they still did somewhat).

Blech, the thought of him still makes me sick!

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The Zack and Amy gang are just...horrendous!!!

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Wow Yikes...
I am almost at a loss for words...almost
I just watched my tape of the show and I was astonished to see these so-called adults acting like little brats!!.
I feel really bad...because when Dave first came on the show, I thought 'this guy doesn't belong'...but he is one of the nicest, sweetest, most caring individuals to have checked into that hotel.
I would love to see Charla/Dave win...they have played The Game well and are the most deserving.
JMHO

I don't think the Wed show was any better...I would love to take a strip off Alex for making fun of Dave's ears.....that was poor taste...as for Toni....if someone like that came up to me saying that stuff, I would turn and say.....why are you talking to me??? If you dislike me so much why are you wasting your breath....the time wasting with me could be spent with your friends with the same low IQ as you. I really dislike her "I can yell at you but I don't want to hear your response." It looks like Tara can stand her own with Amy judging from next weeks previews.....and poor Andon.....what a maroon.....no wonder he was kicked off first!! I would love to see some revenge from Tara/Keith/Charla/Dave. I did love Zach being kicked out again and Keith saying I voted you off......TWICE!! HEHEHE!!
Those people need to be brought down a notch. How can the producers allow that stuff??? I think they are all jealous because they all got kicked out by the "new" people. That was evident during Pandora's Box. I hope this gets better.....I am really starting to dislike the show....

I was thinking... when Amy told Tara that she"had already accomplish so much" and that Tara will "never be able to accomplish in her life" as Amy has, what exactly does this mean? What are these supposed "accomplishments?" Graduating from High School? Graduating from College (I know Tara is a student but has Amy even gone/is going to college)? I doubt Amy's accomplishments include her dancing career or anything to do with Zach.

[quote=Anonymous]Hi guys!!<BR>Okay...I will now admit, that I too have been watching <IMG SRC="http://tvbb.zap2it.com/ubb/images/icons/blush.gif"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by puggy:<BR><B>He should have left instead of Matt, IMO.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Puggy, you are so right about Dave...he is so annoying and hard on the eyes <IMG SRC="http://tvbb.zap2it.com/ubb/images/icons/shocked.gif">. He just doesn't fit in. And it appears as though the guys are just mocking him and using him for their own entertainment. I almost feel sorry for him, in that aspect...almost!!.<BR>As for Matt...yummy...he was my favorite...I thought he was such a doll and very easy on the eyes <IMG SRC="http://tvbb.zap2it.com/ubb/images/icons/wink.gif">. <BR>As for Toni...<B>YIKES</B> what a witch!!.<BR>I love the fact that one of the 'regulars' has to leave...maybe they will stop being so smug <IMG SRC="http://tvbb.zap2it.com/ubb/images/icons/grin.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://tvbb.zap2it.com/ubb/images/icons/grin.gif"> [/quote]