#685427 - 05/13/07 04:57 PM
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Is it going to be like last season....a F3 instead of F2? I hope so!
Yes, but I gather this group isn't aware of last season's change. 
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#685430 - 05/13/07 05:21 PM
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And here we go!
Night 36
Bat.
Cass asks Yau if he's alright.
Yau first confessional.
Earl says that maybe they just voted for Yau to flush the idol out...but he's rattled. And that next TC, they might try to target him.
Day 37
Cass paints on a tree, marking time.
Yau thinks he's the biggest target because of his deal with Dre...and knows he needs to win immunity.
Earl tells Cass that he wishes he'd have been let into the plan to vote Yau.
Cass asks Earl if Yau has the 2nd idol, and he says he doesn't think so...
IC: Huge maze.
Make way through 5 section maze blindfolded. Each person has a unique medallion that they'll use to find their way to their coloured parts. Get all 5 keys, and win immunity.
Boo has his first key, they Yau....and Dre...
Yau crosses first drawbridge. Dre too.
And Boo.
Yau has his 3nd key, while Boo gets his.
Earl gets his first drawbridge, and Cass is Lost.
Yau crosses 2nd drawbridge, so does Boo.
Cass finally gets first key, Dre crosses 2nd bridge.
Yau gets 3rd key.
So does Dre...and Boo.
Yau gets his third bridge.
Cass falls in the water.
Yau on 4th key.
Same with Dre.
Yau gets 4th bridge. Boo gets 4th key.
Dre crossees 4th bridge, so does Boo.
Earl and Cass are long out of it.
Yau gets 5th key....has trouble getting to bridge....finds it...crosses it...AND WINS IMMUNITY!!!!
And I think Boo thinks he's toast. 
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#685436 - 05/13/07 05:37 PM
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Day 37.
Yau confessional, happy that he and Earl will definitely advance.
Yau talks to Cass and says Boo is the one to go.
Yau shakes hands with Boo and congratulates him on being a strong competitor...and Boo says "that's why you're voting me out." Makes me sad.
Meanwhile, Dre thinks that he could be the one to go.
Boo goes over Earl and tries to work a deal with them: thinking it's a F2, and nobody wants to go against Yau in the F2, vote out Dre tonight instead of him...so that Earl can win the million agains him instead of possibly losing against Yau.
Earl wants to go against Boo or Cass as opposed to Dre (sympathy vote) or Yau (underdog vote.)
Boo pleads his cast to Yau: Dre could easily win a sympathy vote. But against Boo, Yau could easily win.
Earl and Yau chat. Yau asks Earl if he thinks Dre will live up to his F4 deal. Earl says yes.
Uh-oh.
TC:
Dre asked about threats: more concerned about physical threat or untrustworthy people. Says he's more concerned about someone not keeping their word.
Earl: should The Game come down to the most deserving, or who you can beat?
Boo says he's a better candidate to take to the final over Dre or Yau, because they're hard to beat in a vote.
Dre says he tells people his story because he wants to show people how far they can come, not because he wants sympathy.
And he feels okay, because Yau has him as part of his F4.
Dre and Boo go back and forth over how for Boo, it's better for Dre to go now...and that Boo doesn't have any friends on the jury, so he couldn't win a jury vote.
Dre votes first: Boo, it's your time Bro.
Cass
Boo: Good luck Dreamz
Yau
Earl
And Earl plays the final HII.
Poor Boo looks so sad.
Votes: Boo, Dreamz, Boo...
Boo 8th member of the jury. Boo hoo. And he's gone before Jeff even says "it's time for you to go."
Man, I grew to love that big guy.
Boo says Yau's a strong competitor and that he respects him on so many levels; and he doesn't THINK Dre will break his word to Yau, but there will be some fireworks!
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#685438 - 05/13/07 05:40 PM
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Earl using the II just shows Cassandra & Dreamz that he isn't trustworthy.
Well why not use it? It was useless after this TC. No harm in using it. Better safe than sorry.
I don't understand why he's untrustworthy. Cass and Dre just tried to vote off Yau. Definitely better safe. 
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#685440 - 05/13/07 05:49 PM
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Earl using the II just shows Cassandra & Dreamz that he isn't trustworthy.
Well why not use it? It was useless after this TC. No harm in using it. Better safe than sorry.
I think they would've expected him to share the knowledge that he found it with them.
I don't think Earl's not trustworthy, but at this point in The Game, you can't open yourself up too much either.
Day 38
And then there were four.
Cass washes clothes.
Yau and Earl talk about it being a calm day.
Yau first confessional of F4.
Earl talks about the admiration and respect he has for Yau...an older Chinese guy and a young black guy being friends...it's like Rush Hour.
Dre says he wants his son to see him being a stand up guy by honouring his deal with Yau.
His plan is to give Yau the necklace, and whatever happens, he's happy.
Fallen comrades....
Jessica, we hardly knew you.
Erica...Sylvia, sorry you had to go so early...Big hugs for Papa Smurf...Liliana...Rita, one of the best moms in the world...Anthony, wish you could be here longer with us...Rocky, Mr. Boston...Lisi...Michelle my belle...Edgardo, bet you never saw it coming...Mookie...Alex, Dre's brother for life...Stacy, learned a lot about herself and life...Boo...and they're all set on fire.
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#685447 - 05/13/07 06:04 PM
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Nobody looked too shocked about it being a F3.
Cuz they know that it happened last season.
Nope... these guys were in Fiji when the Cook Islands final 3 twist was revealed on tv.
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#685454 - 05/13/07 06:11 PM
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If every there was a challenge he should've thrown, this was it.
Unless he isn't going to give up the Idol! I sure wouldn't. 
It'll make GREAT TV!
I can't beleive I forgot about this! Looks like I'll be watching the first hour of the finale AND Desperate Housewives tomorrow online. 
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#685456 - 05/13/07 06:18 PM
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Why did Earl vote against Yau? 
Unless... he knows that he'll win now.
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#685457 - 05/13/07 06:19 PM
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Cass asks Yau who she should vote out, and he says Dre.
Yau, Earl and Cass talk about how it's still hard to vote Dre out, because he's still a good kid.
And Dre looks conflicted.
Yau asks Dre that if he changes his mind, could he please not vote for Yau? Dre asks why he thinks he'd change his mind?
Dre talks to Cass, and says it's so hard to give up a million dollars...he worked so hard to get there. Earl says he knows Dre will do the right thing. But Dre gives a heads up that IF he changes his mind, they both better vote Yau, or else one of them is going home.
Oh boy...
Dre is torn between one million dollars or being honourable. He fails to realize that if he's not honourable, the also in that instant crushes his chance at the million.
TC:
Boo has not shaved.
Jury is just informed of the F3 status.
And the negotiation is the topic of discussion.
Dre asked about his decision...talks about how this is a game of lying, deceit...and is asked where humanity falls.
Dre says it's not easy...he wants the truck AND the million...if he give Yau the idol, Dre goes home. He's prepared for it.
Yau said he didn't pressure Dre...left it up to him to decide. Said that having known him, he thinks that Dre will live up to his word.
Cass says he can't imagine being in his situation...and Earl says it's difficult to decide between integrity and greed.
Earl says he wouldn't have put himself in that situation.
Dre says the whole situation sucks.
Yau asked if he has any final words for Dre....just that he has to live with his decision.
And now...Dre...has the jury on the edge of their seats...and keeps immunity.
Earl bug-eyes, Mookie smiles...and they vote.
Earl
Yau
Cass
Dre, who's crying.
He apologizes to Yau after voting.
I am very angry...not at the decision, but the hypocrisy of it.
Votes: Cassandra, Yau, (Dre can't watch, pulls his buff over his head,) Yau,...
Yau voted out. Earl looks like he wants to cry. I know I do.
Yau, the class act, waves and wishes them all good luck.
Boo, on the jury, is almost in tears. Poor Boo.
Yau is suprised that Dre broke his word, and that Earl also voted him out, although he must have his reasons. He's just very proud that he could hold his own in The Game and has enjoyed his time in Fiji.
I'm proud of you too, Wow-man! 
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#685463 - 05/13/07 06:22 PM
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Why did Earl vote against Yau?
That surprised me too. Out of who is left.....I would only want Earl to win.
I'm pulling for Cassandra! Earl would be great as well!
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#685464 - 05/13/07 06:24 PM
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THis is a sad, sad survivor finale! Throughout The Game Dreamz talked about his honour and keeping his word... he first backstabbed the group of for, and now his chance for redemption... giving the idol to Yau... and he failed. Not too sure I would ever vote for Dreamz now...
Final 3 Wise... If Earl Doesn't win, I will be extremely surprised... Although a shocker win, sure would be cassandra 
It is sad, because I'm a big Yau-Man fan, but it is amazing tv.
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#685465 - 05/13/07 06:24 PM
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Wow wow wow wow. This is the best drama in Survivor history.
Earl voted for Yau because he wants to win. I would've done the same thing. Earl wasn't expecting the opportunity, but he had to take it.
I still don't understand why Dreamz didn't make another deal with Yau so Yau would vote Cassandra and not Dreamz. Dreamz just did the unthinkable to advance only one place. There's no way he'll finish better than 3rd now.
Yeah, why didn't they (Earl & Yau) have a contingency against Cass? 
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#685473 - 05/13/07 06:36 PM
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I believe contractually that Dreamz has voided the contract since he did not hold up his part of the deal.
What do you mean?
A contract has to have a meeting of the minds which is why Jeff was so succinct in repeating the deal...Yau would give up the truck in exchange for the immunity necklace at F4 if Dreamz won it. Dreamz agreed to the deal. He reneged on the deal so the contract is null and void.
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#685474 - 05/13/07 06:36 PM
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What money does 3rd place get? Is 2nd still $100,000?
I'm guessing 3rd place gets $75,000.
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#685475 - 05/13/07 06:37 PM
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Night 38
Dre apologizes that he brok his word.
Earl is worried to be ripped by the jury for them turning on Yau. When it first went down, he was pissed...but he hopes that Yau won't hold it against him.
Dre says he's going to sleep comfortable knowing that he has a shot at a million dollars.
Um, Dre, you blew that chance when you voted out Yau.
Cass tells us that she discarded her underwear about 3 weeks ago. Thanks for sharing!
The three of them plan to spend the day just being happy.
They find a basket waiting for them, and food will "fall from the sky."
But it falls in the water. And Cassandra can't swim. Which explains a little of her challenge performance.
They eat and dub themselves the Three Amigos.
Cass is grateful that she made it this far. Earl says his grandma would be embarrassed at his table manners, eating out of jars, etc.
And they're going to have a bonfire...Earl and Dre turn it into a comedy routine.
Burn.
Dre feels like he's on top of the world, like he's standing next to Oprah.
Earl climbs to the top rock and looks out...talks about how wonderful the experience has been. And probably foreshadowing his win...because I just can't see the others getting more than a vote each.
Final TC:
Michelle winks at Earl..we know who she's voting for.
Dre can't even look at Yau.
Earl opens. Says hello, and that he played an honest and clean game, no rats and snakes for him, and that he didn't sacrifice a lot of integrity...didn't get any votes against, didn't win a challenge...and wants their respect.
Cass talks about starting The Game slow, but that she wanted to make people feel like they could befriend her, and that she never wavered in her alliance, and tried to stay positive...and that the end of The Game, she hopes they can all be friends. Boo rolls his eyes at her.
Dre YELLS that he's sure that they all know his life story, and that they know what he'll do with the money, and that he hopes they take that into account.
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#685476 - 05/13/07 06:38 PM
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I believe contractually that Dreamz has voided the contract since he did not hold up his part of the deal. While I find Cassandra to be useless, I think that Dreamz will take 3rd.
I think he'll give Yau the truck back anyway.
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#685477 - 05/13/07 06:39 PM
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I believe contractually that Dreamz has voided the contract since he did not hold up his part of the deal.
What do you mean?
A contract has to have a meeting of the minds which is why Jeff was so succinct in repeating the deal...Yau would give up the truck in exchange for the immunity necklace at F4 if Dreamz won it. Dreamz agreed to the deal. He reneged on the deal so the contract is null and void.
Yau-Man gave up the truck right then and there. At that point the truck belonged to Dreamz, period. Yau took the chance of giving up the truck for a promise of immunity later on. There was no contract involved. Dreamz made a promise, nothing more. He was never obligated to give Yau-Man anything. Yau-Man gambled and Lost.
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#685482 - 05/13/07 06:45 PM
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What money does 3rd place get? Is 2nd still $100,000?
I'm guessing 3rd place gets $75,000.
Not that it really matters, but 3rd nets $85,000.
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#685487 - 05/13/07 06:49 PM
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I believe contractually that Dreamz has voided the contract since he did not hold up his part of the deal.
What do you mean?
A contract has to have a meeting of the minds which is why Jeff was so succinct in repeating the deal...Yau would give up the truck in exchange for the immunity necklace at F4 if Dreamz won it. Dreamz agreed to the deal. He reneged on the deal so the contract is null and void.
Yau-Man gave up the truck right then and there. At that point the truck belonged to Dreamz, period. Yau took the chance of giving up the truck for a promise of immunity later on. There was no contract involved. Dreamz made a promise, nothing more. He was never obligated to give Yau-Man anything. Yau-Man gambled and Lost.
Nope, the contract was broken and therefore, I believe, it is voided.
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#685488 - 05/13/07 06:50 PM
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If I was sitting there I would have cursed the crap out of Alex and Lisi. Both are flat out a-holes.
Cassandra should be praised for putting up with that. God, talk about bitter. 
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#685490 - 05/13/07 06:51 PM
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How is Earl voting out Yau lying & manipulative? Lisi was a total be-yotch!
Lisi's just crazy. 
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#685491 - 05/13/07 06:55 PM
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I agree with your analysis. It's not about the meeting of the minds because the deal was clear. Jeff also made it clear to Yau-man that there were no guarantees, so something tells me the rules stipulate that if you give up a prize based on a "deal", you're out of luck if someone reneges.
Obviously, I am talking about a legal agreement. Yau just proved that he has no plans to pursue the truck, so he has now made it a gift. There are no stipulations or conditions with a gift.
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#685492 - 05/13/07 06:55 PM
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What money does 3rd place get? Is 2nd still $100,000?
I'm guessing 3rd place gets $75,000.
And how is 3rd place defined if the two non-winners get the same amount of votes?
Jury questioning:
Michelle first: asks them what their biggest hardship/obstacle was...starting with Dre. He says the hardest thing was thirst. Cass says her inability to swim...and Mich asks if her fear of water earns her a million? Earl says being the only original Ravu, AND being sent to EI...he pushed himself.
Edgardo: Asks Earl how he found out the other alliance had the HII. One word answer: DREAMZ.
Mookie: Dre...did you tell anyone about Mookie's idol, and would he consider it betrayal? Yes, and no..it's just a lie. Mookie says tonight is not the time to lie or get caught in a lie.
Alex: asks Cass to describe the moment in which she grappled with maintaining her integrity...talks about overhearing a convo with him and Boo. Alex calls her out for lying, and then said that she used Stacy....Alex goes off and SCREAMS at her to stop talking. He's being an ASS. Asks Dre why he should endorse Dre's lying and deceit when he talked about being honourable.
Lisi: eeny meeny miney moe, catch a liar by the toe. Asks Cass to see her water shoes, and complains that they're the worst water shoes she's seen, so it shows that she wasn't prepared to play...and that she was in over her head, and that greed didn't propel her. Lisi rivals Alex in the ASS department. Asks Dre how many zeros there are in a million...he says six, and she's surprised. Asks Earl about the show he did for the jury when Yau got voted out. Asks why he looked so shocked when HE voted Yau out. Earl gives a real response...says it was a smart choice.
Stacy: congratulates them, and says that the only difference she sees between Earl and Dre is that Earl is more sophisiticated...and that he'll land on his feet after The Game. Asks why Earl should get the million if he doesn't need it. He says they ALL need it, and that the fact that he has a job doesn't mean he didn't play The Game.
Rocky: asks how everyone made a difference...Cass doesn't answer to his liking. Dre says he's the biggest "kicker" because he was a master manipulator....Earl says he manipulated EVERYONE up there, because nobody thought he was playing The Game.
Boo: wipe the smiles off your faces. He tips his hat to Yau, the greatest all around player. You can't make a promise in your heart and then take it back. Asks if Dre, as a Christian, was playing him when he accepted the truck, or did he change his mind...Boo's going all preacher on him. Dre says he was just playing The Game and thougth "what would everyone else do" Boo continues to preach to him...and I can't stop laughing!
Yau: personal statement, he says that being 54 years old, he's immune from testosterone overload that affects youth. And tells Dre to enjoy the truck in good faith. Yau asks if Dre would have the gonads to tell him if he was playing him all along when took the truck, and Dre says yes. Asks Earl why, when they'd come so far on the journey together, Earl wouldn't take him to the next level? Earl says simply, "I wouldn't want to take you because I know I couldn't beat you. You played the best game BY FAR."
And that concludes the jury speeches.
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#685494 - 05/13/07 06:57 PM
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A contract has to have a meeting of the minds which is why Jeff was so succinct in repeating the deal...Yau would give up the truck in exchange for the immunity necklace at F4 if Dreamz won it. Dreamz agreed to the deal. He reneged on the deal so the contract is null and void.
BL, Besides what Yao just said in keeping the contract anyways, Jeff mentioned it at the reward challenge, something along the lines of, if Dreamz doesn't still to his deal does he stillg et the truck?, and Yao said Yes.
As for this Jury, what a bunch of a-holes! I missed Edguardo, Mookie and Michelle... but got to see Alex, and that was just ignorance! As for Lisi, what a Biotch! Seriously!
And for the Final 3... The Winner better be Earl... I am NOT a fan of Dreamz, what is with him seriously? I hate even watching him on TV right now, maybe its the Yao thing, I dunno...
But Based on what everyone said... EARL better be the winner!
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#685495 - 05/13/07 06:58 PM
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How is Earl voting out Yau lying & manipulative? Lisi was a total be-yotch!
Lisi's just crazy.
I just thought of something that would have been hilarious. Cassandra or Dreamz should've said, "Lisi, all of us sitting here are now dumber for having listened to you."
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#685497 - 05/13/07 06:59 PM
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Dreamz was definitely lying there. I do think at the time that he intended to do the right thing. He definitely shouldn't be saying that he intended to take the truck & go back on his word the whole time! That was dumb! Even if he was doing that (which I don't think he was), he shouldn't say so. Just say you knew Yau was going to turn around & vote you out....which Yau was going to do!
Of course he did, Puggy. He hid his eyes while he made his decision and had tears in them BECAUSE he knew he was not honoring his word.
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#685500 - 05/13/07 07:01 PM
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A contract has to have a meeting of the minds which is why Jeff was so succinct in repeating the deal...Yau would give up the truck in exchange for the immunity necklace at F4 if Dreamz won it. Dreamz agreed to the deal. He reneged on the deal so the contract is null and void.
BL, Besides what Yao just said in keeping the contract anyways, Jeff mentioned it at the reward challenge, something along the lines of, if Dreamz doesn't still to his deal does he stillg et the truck?, and Yao said Yes.
Then, it wasn't a contract/deal then, it was a gift.
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#685503 - 05/13/07 07:07 PM
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I am kind of surprised that quite a few were so so so pissed at Cassandra!
Now I think Earl will get all the votes!
i had no idea they could be this hostile!!
and you are right, earl did get all the votes!!!
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#685508 - 05/13/07 07:09 PM
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I agree with your analysis. It's not about the meeting of the minds because the deal was clear. Jeff also made it clear to Yau-man that there were no guarantees, so something tells me the rules stipulate that if you give up a prize based on a "deal", you're out of luck if someone reneges.
Obviously, I am talking about a legal agreement. Yau just proved that he has no plans to pursue the truck, so he has now made it a gift. There are no stipulations or conditions with a gift.
I'm speaking from a legal perspective as well. If you are told that no "deals" within The Game are legally binding (which is why Jeff stated clearly to Yau-Man that if he gave him the truck that Dreamz had no obligation to stick to the deal). If that weren't the case, there would be plenty of lawsuits for broken agreements in The Game. In the end, it was never a "meeting of the minds" issue, but instead there was a lack of consideration (i.e. payment or reciprocation ofsome sort) given by Dreamz for receiving the truck. When there is a lack of consideration, it must be clear that something is a gift, which, in this case, would not have been the case outside of The Game environment.
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#685510 - 05/13/07 07:15 PM
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Earl was cast for the show literally two days before they left for Fiji...and hadn't even seen the show since the first season!
Earl and Yau bonded on day 1, that Yau was the professor of Gilligan's island.
Yau said that he came to like and trust Earl based on his work ethic, and that Earl befriended the "odd man out" in Yau.
And Earl said that he and Yau are friends for life.
Earl says his key moment was when he had to, unfortunately, vote Yau out, because Yau was his biggest competitor. And that when Dre backed out of the deal with Yau, Earl realized that he won the million.
And in taking a survey, if Yau had been in the finals instead of Dre, he'd have gotten six votes: Boo, Stacy, Mookie, Alex, Edgardo and Rocky. So no matter how he sliced it, Dre made a million dollar mistake with that deal.
Moreover, he GAVE Earl the million. That's the best payback IMO. 
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#685511 - 05/13/07 07:17 PM
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I agree with your analysis. It's not about the meeting of the minds because the deal was clear. Jeff also made it clear to Yau-man that there were no guarantees, so something tells me the rules stipulate that if you give up a prize based on a "deal", you're out of luck if someone reneges.
Obviously, I am talking about a legal agreement. Yau just proved that he has no plans to pursue the truck, so he has now made it a gift. There are no stipulations or conditions with a gift.
I'm speaking from a legal perspective as well. If you are told that no "deals" within The Game are legally binding (which is why Jeff stated clearly to Yau-Man that if he gave him the truck that Dreamz had no obligation to stick to the deal). If that weren't the case, there would be plenty of lawsuits for broken agreements in The Game. In the end, it was never a "meeting of the minds" issue, but instead there was a lack of consideration (i.e. payment or reciprocation ofsome sort) given by Dreamz for receiving the truck. When there is a lack of consideration, it must be clear that something is a gift, which, in this case, would not have been the case outside of The Game environment.
I think we've said the same thing (what it finally boiled down to), but you did it much better. 
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#685513 - 05/13/07 07:19 PM
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Did they do a car giveaway for the favorite Survivor again this season?
Let's hope!
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#685518 - 05/13/07 07:34 PM
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Dre asked about giving perspective on how his growing up related to The Game. Says that the conditions didn't get to him, but the social aspect, making friends, was the most difficult part. Dre had a game plan going in, but it changed once he met the people.
And Dre STILL can't explain himself.
Dre asked if he was making it up as he went along, or if he had a plan at all. Jeff has to explain it to him LIKE HE'S FIVE YEARS OLD, and then had to ask Cassandra if Dre was playing, or if he had a plan.
Recap on the truck deal.
Dre gets booed, and Boo makes a funny, thanking the audience for cheering for him.
Dre asked if he took the car from Yau with the intent of breaking it, and he finally admits that he never intended to keep the deal.
And Yau is friends with Dre...
Earl asked if he really thought Dre would keep his word, and Earl really thought he'd keep his word.
And now a Yau highlight reel. He's such a genuine, nice guy! Yau really believed Dre was going to keep his word right up until the last minute.
Yau thinks Dre is a very smart guy but is undisciplined in his thinking, and that he has flashes of brilliance that he can't put together.
Yau's getting people coming up to him on the street asking for autographs....
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#685520 - 05/13/07 07:35 PM
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Yes, move on Jeff. No matter what Dreamz says, it is obvious by his interviews that he was not planning to go back on his word from the time of the deal. Why Dreamz keeps saying that is beyond me!
Because Dreamz is a Big Fat Liar! You can tell hes lying by the way he say s it and the way his eyes move... and he does huge explanations for everything because it makes people forget the question that was asked in the first place...
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#685524 - 05/13/07 07:47 PM
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Does it not matter that Yau Man was going to vote out Dreamz if Dreamz gave Yau immunity????
All is fair in love, war, and Survivor. Yau and Dre each made a deal. Yau put himself in Jeopardy for the next one or two votes and Dre did the same for the final four vote. They each knew exactly what they were doing. Both knew the other would try to get them out at the relevant TC and both seemed content with that knowledge. Bottom line... Yau either made a bad deal with the truck, or he just failed to make an obvious new deal that he would take the necklace but vote Cassandra out and not Dreamz.
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#685529 - 05/13/07 07:56 PM
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So hiding his eyes in his buff and tears running down his cheeks at TC says he plaayed it that way all along? I don't think so.
Let's face it... I don't think anyone on Earth is capable of figuring out Dreamz.
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#685530 - 05/13/07 07:57 PM
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So hiding his eyes in his buff and tears running down his cheeks at TC says he plaayed it that way all along? I don't think so.
Let's face it... I don't think anyone on Earth is capable of figuring out Dreamz.
Yeah, you're probably right. Guess I'll stop trying.
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#685533 - 05/13/07 08:02 PM
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Sneak peek at next season: Survivor China. Inland, in the mountains, with a lake nearby for water. Yay, no islands!!!!!
Obviously, the original news about China was right about the show being filmed on the mainland and Jeff Probst was just spewing BS when he talked about a group of islands just off the south coast. I'm glad because mainland China sounds cool and will be a nice change. I feel it is absolutely necessary to leave the island setting every few seasons.
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#685535 - 05/13/07 10:33 PM
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What started off as a very slow and boring installment, evolved into an incredible, exciting & shocking season. Firstly, I wanted Yau-Man to win from day one. He was thinking right from the get-go. He was sneaky - (looking into Sylvia's bag when she returned from Exile Island), loyal - (his friendship with Earl, sharing the idol, giving him the clues to find the "re-hidden" idol)& smart/athletic - (he was a key contributor in winning group challenges, won 2 individual immunity challenges). Secondly, I'm happy at the turn of events ... only because the final tribal council was AMAZING. Not only did Dreamz get ripped apart (which I expected), but Cassandra was equally & deservedly, s**t on. She should have behaved like Becky (S13 - Cook Islands), if she was a little articulate & eloquent (even though Becky got zero votes) and not defensive & combative, perhaps Alex would have felt like a s**t for being so nasty and thus the others that followed (Lisi, Rocky) would have given her some respect for her solid gamesmanship - aka riding Earl's coattails. Side Note: So many players(Ed, Mookie, Stacy, Boo, Yau)ignored Cassandra (at tribal council)and those that addressed her simply lambasted her (except Michelle). And finally, the best, Earl was enjoying every minute of Dreamz's & Cassandra's humiliation. As far as what Dreamz did, it's a game - to betray someone -whether it be a player, or your son (as Jeff Probst would make you believe), or your God (as Boo would make you beileve) -- it's about a million dollars --- so perhaps I can understand. However, he should return the car/truck to Yau, because he truly "jacked" him.
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#685536 - 05/14/07 12:40 PM
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bitter....bitter.....BITTER jury! 
(A few were not....but the stupidest players were bitter)
Yes but when they are bitter it makes for a more entertaining and real TC. When we see them doing interviews and such after they have been voted off it is months later and they have had time to calm down and realize it's a game. But at final TC they are still in The Game and it's better that they get that bitterness out than stand there and ask stupid lame questions and act all nicey nicey. I  when they do that during the questions because they are just making themselves look dumb not the final 3.
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#685537 - 05/14/07 12:51 PM
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Yes, move on Jeff. No matter what Dreamz says, it is obvious by his interviews that he was not planning to go back on his word from the time of the deal. Why Dreamz keeps saying that is beyond me!
But Dre WAS planning to go back on the deal from the time he made it....
No, I really don't think so. He could have said so in his private interviews, but he always talked about keeping his word to Yau. You can tell the truth in those interviews cause the other tribemates don't know.
Dre said tonight that he was planning on keeping the immunity all along, and that he told Cass his plan after that challenge. If I had to guess, since I wasn't there, I'd say those confessions were just to try to convince people that he HADN'T planned to backstab Yau all along.
But that's just my guess...I can't figure out what goes on in his head.
But do you really believe Dre? I don't. I think when he made the deal 1. he did plan on giving Yau the necklace and 2. didn't really comprehend what he got himself into.
I also think that he told everyone a TC and at the reunion that he had planned it all along to try to make himself look better. Like see I was stragizing all along. He thought at TC that he could talk his way out of the deal by saying that he never planned on giving up the necklace in the first place but I don't believe him, but tht is my opinion.
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#685538 - 05/14/07 02:18 PM
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bitter....bitter.....BITTER jury!
(A few were not....but the stupidest players were bitter)
Yes but when they are bitter it makes for a more entertaining and real TC. When we see them doing interviews and such after they have been voted off it is months later and they have had time to calm down and realize it's a game. But at final TC they are still in The Game and it's better that they get that bitterness out than stand there and ask stupid lame questions and act all nicey nicey. I when they do that during the questions because they are just making themselves look dumb not the final 3.
I actually enjoy a bitter jury for the entertainment value, but I don't enjoy someone yelling SHUT UP every time someone tries to answer their question!
I didn't care that Alex was bitter. What pissed me off about his speech is that he kept bashing Cassandra, telling her he wanted an answer and then WOULDN'T LET HER SPEAK!!! What's the point? It just made Alex look like a bigger ass.
Also, if you're going to grill someone, know your facts: Alex accused Cassandra of backstabbing Stacy, just bringing her along, using her for her vote and getting rid of her when she was no longer needed. Um, Cassandra didn't get rid of Stacy...she voted Yau at that TC (you were there Alex!) but Stacy fell victim to Earl and Yau voting against her and the idol being used to save Yau.
So, if you're going to be bitter, at least get your facts straight.
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#685540 - 05/14/07 03:14 PM
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Also, if you're going to grill someone, know your facts: Alex accused Cassandra of backstabbing Stacy, just bringing her along, using her for her vote and getting rid of her when she was no longer needed. Um, Cassandra didn't get rid of Stacy...she voted Yau at that TC (you were there Alex!) but Stacy fell victim to Earl and Yau voting against her and the idol being used to save Yau.
I picked up on that too and was quite disgusted that Cassandra didn't mount ANY defense or even offense at final tribal. Was she even playing to win? From her opening remarks of "I wanted to make friends and join alliances" to her inability to defend herself to anyone, any votes she could have garnered were Lost.
And Dreamz was given two chances in jury questioning (by Boo and Yau) to own up to his change of heart and his outright refusal to own it Lost him his shot at winning over any jury members (he could possibly have swayed Boo and Rocky if he'd just come clean).
Earl didn't even need to work for that win...Cassandra and Dreamz did enough --or more accurately, DIDN'T do enough-- to ensure his victory.
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#685542 - 05/14/07 06:28 PM
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I actually enjoy a bitter jury for the entertainment value, but I don't enjoy someone yelling SHUT UP every time someone tries to answer their question!
I didn't care that Alex was bitter. What pissed me off about his speech is that he kept bashing Cassandra, telling her he wanted an answer and then WOULDN'T LET HER SPEAK!!! What's the point? It just made Alex look like a bigger ass.
Also, if you're going to grill someone, know your facts: Alex accused Cassandra of backstabbing Stacy, just bringing her along, using her for her vote and getting rid of her when she was no longer needed. Um, Cassandra didn't get rid of Stacy...she voted Yau at that TC (you were there Alex!) but Stacy fell victim to Earl and Yau voting against her and the idol being used to save Yau.
So, if you're going to be bitter, at least get your facts straight.
You make a good point. I didn't catch it, but you're right. I don't know how Cassandra could have explained herself they way he was telling her to shut-up, but she sure had a good excuse.
On his last day when Alex was alone and she approached him to be nice and talk to him, I cynically thought she was buttering up a future jury member by doing that. Well.... if she was, it certainly didn't earn her any points!
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#685544 - 05/16/07 03:28 AM
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Redwing, I'm with you in seeing Alex as a big, dumb jerk. I don't get the hatred towards Cassandra except maybe they hated her because she took their seat by playing a better game than they did. Alex has no right to speak to anyone like that. ...and what's with Lisi! What the heck is she yelling at Cassandra for when she treated her and Dreamz like vermin. She was one of the most hateful people on the island and now she's getting pious?! Gimme a break. They're just made that the people they viewed as inferior got the best of them. "Lemme see your shoes!" Wha?! Puggy, I wholeheartedly agree with you on Yau-Man. I love him, he's my favorite player, but he was a shark. First of all, he always kept his prey in check. He was constantly checking up on his alliance and asking them the hard questions, very nicely, though. I think one of the meantest things he did was put Dreamz in his sceme. It was mean because he knew Dreamz was so hungry for that truck, he had no real alliance and Dreamz, unlike Earl and Cassandra, was less likely to think things through before it's too late. I think Yau-Man made that deal with Dreamz in front of everybody to add to Dreamz anxiety. If he made it quietly away form the crowd, it wouldn't have been such a moral struggle for Dreamz. I think Dreamz at first, without thinking intended to keep his word, but kept changing his mind back and fourth. If Yau had been a little more sneaky, he could have made Dreamz promise let him wear the immunity idol to tribal council and promising him that he and Earl will vote Cassandra out. Yau was a very good player; his biggest mistake was leaving his idol behind to be found by his enemies. Also Yau should've found the second idol and kept it to himself. He didn't owe Earl anything and Earl would've understood; at the last tribal council it would've been to late for anyone to be mad about it. Earl was the greatest player because he knew when to speak up and when to shut up. Most importantly he knew how to step back and let everybody else take the heat. I'd love to see Yau-Man in All-Stars 2, if there is one.
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#685545 - 05/16/07 04:58 AM
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Redwing, I'm with you in seeing Alex as a big, dumb jerk. I don't get the hatred towards Cassandra except maybe they hated her because she took their seat by playing a better game than they did. Alex has no right to speak to anyone like that.
...and what's with Lisi! What the heck is she yelling at Cassandra for when she treated her and Dreamz like vermin. She was one of the most hateful people on the island and now she's getting pious?! Gimme a break. They're just made that the people they viewed as inferior got the best of them. "Lemme see your shoes!" Wha?!
Puggy, I wholeheartedly agree with you on Yau-Man. I love him, he's my favorite player, but he was a shark.
First of all, he always kept his prey in check. He was constantly checking up on his alliance and asking them the hard questions, very nicely, though. I think one of the meantest things he did was put Dreamz in his sceme. It was mean because he knew Dreamz was so hungry for that truck, he had no real alliance and Dreamz, unlike Earl and Cassandra, was less likely to think things through before it's too late. I think Yau-Man made that deal with Dreamz in front of everybody to add to Dreamz anxiety. If he made it quietly away form the crowd, it wouldn't have been such a moral struggle for Dreamz.
I think Dreamz at first, without thinking intended to keep his word, but kept changing his mind back and fourth. If Yau had been a little more sneaky, he could have made Dreamz promise let him wear the immunity idol to tribal council and promising him that he and Earl will vote Cassandra out.
Yau was a very good player; his biggest mistake was leaving his idol behind to be found by his enemies. Also Yau should've found the second idol and kept it to himself. He didn't owe Earl anything and Earl would've understood; at the last tribal council it would've been to late for anyone to be mad about it.
Earl was the greatest player because he knew when to speak up and when to shut up. Most importantly he knew how to step back and let everybody else take the heat.
I'd love to see Yau-Man in All-Stars 2, if there is one.
I agree with all that.
The winner of an alliance is the one who successfully breaks it. Earl remembered that. Yau didn't.
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#685548 - 05/20/07 08:38 AM
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earl imo played The Game best but is off my list of fav players due to his betrayal....
I'm sorry, GD, but that's a ridiculous position to take. There is no way in hell anyone should expect Earl to hand $1 million to Yau-Man on a silver platter. Taking Yau-Man to the final three would have put Earl right at the top of the reality hall of shame.
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#685550 - 05/20/07 09:21 AM
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of all things, i found that i really like boo...i thought he was crazy half the time but he seems very genuine...
I liked Boo up until the jury questioning and all of his Christian stuff. What's that got to do with the price of tea in China??? 
i think boo was throwing it in dreamz face...dreamz talked alot and usually homeless ppl deal alot with the church, i would not be surprised if dreamz referred to himself as a christian...
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#685551 - 05/20/07 09:25 AM
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earl imo played The Game best but is off my list of fav players due to his betrayal....
I'm sorry, GD, but that's a ridiculous position to take. There is no way in hell anyone should expect Earl to hand $1 million to Yau-Man on a silver platter. Taking Yau-Man to the final three would have put Earl right at the top of the reality hall of shame.
i understand the position he was in...but he did say it was yau and him...
yau is a straight up man...i wish him only the best...he was an equal partner with earl...earl was not the leader, nor was yau...but like i said, due to earls betrayal he is off my fav list...yau did deserve the win...sadly he will go down in survivor history as one of the players who deserved it but did not get it
others
colby
lex
kathy
rob c
rob (the stupid one)
and now yau-man
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#685553 - 05/21/07 08:39 AM
Re: Survivor Finale PbP: Spoilers!
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i think boo was throwing it in dreamz face...dreamz talked alot and usually homeless ppl deal alot with the church, i would not be surprised if dreamz referred to himself as a christian...
Oh, I can see that then, but strictly in the context of how it was presented on TV, he looked like a loon.
Ragin, in post show interviews, Boo said that Dre often talked about religion and being a good Christian. Boo didn't see his betrayal of Yau as something that met "good Christian" standards, and decided to call him on it.
Had Boo gone preacher on anyone else, it would have bothered me. But on Dre, I laughed my butt off.
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michelle as always is cute and perky...stacy had a good comment for earl...
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