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#828565 - 05/24/08 12:11 PM Bones
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I can't find anything on this show yet I know some are watching it. If anyone watched this season and the ending did you think that had a realistic feel? I really felt very cheated about the ending and it did not fall into place at all. Using the character they did in the manner they did was illogical and did not fit the character. Never could I believe that character was "weak-willed". The whole shooting followed by the faked death was also very over used and obvious. I have really liked this show but these last few episodes show a declining quality.
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#828566 - 05/24/08 07:07 PM Re: Bones [Re: phoenix]
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I love this show, and I've seen the declining quality you've seen, Phoenix. I think the Gormogan story got rushed because of the strike and it did alter their original plans.

I don't think we saw enough of an explanation for why Zach did what he did...if he did it.

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I've read on Bones spoiler sites, that the actor who plays Zach is back as a regular next year.

My theory is that the whole Zach did it is a set up some how. I have a very hard time believing the Zach we've known could kill, but him being weak willed, I believe. Zach was never well socialized and always awkward. But he doesn't fit the Widow's Son following. He had a big, loving family and friends. And how could they keep him on the show if he's in a psychiatric hospital?

I'm not sure my theory is right, but I don't see them messing with the shows chemistry by getting rid of Zach for good.
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#828567 - 05/25/08 02:10 AM Re: Bones [Re: francheeta]
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You could be right about the show being rushed because of the strike. I'd like to see Zach back but still find it hard to believe he is weak-willed. He choose to allow his hands to be blown up, that's not a sign of a weak will. But I will be most happy to see him back among all the other "squints".

Wait I just thought of something, maybe Zach has been convinced he is the assitant to the Gormagon by someone who is very good at getting inside the mind of a person; someone with the training and the access: Sweets! the theory was Sweets was the Gormagon but then there was this sudden change. Maybe he is and this is a red herring. Now that would be much better story telling. I'd like to see the first therapist Boothe went too come back and help expose Sweets. Now that would be a good ending to this storyline!


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#828568 - 05/25/08 04:35 AM Re: Bones [Re: phoenix]
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He choose to allow his hands to be blown up, that's not a sign of a weak will.




Zach's hands got blown up because Hodgens talked too long, trying to be the one to do the mixing, and the chemicals got too hot. Zach said so.

There's a theory out there, that Sweets was suppose to be Gormogan's apprentice, but fans guessed it, so the writers changed it. I'm not sure how much truth there is to that, and I like Sweets, he serves a useful purpose in the show.

I can see, and even thought for awhile Zach was a red herring, to catch the real killer...he still could be, I guess. I saw the Booth 'death' as foreshadowing with Zach. I'd be quite happy with that outcome.
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#828569 - 05/25/08 10:48 AM Re: Bones [Re: francheeta]
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Part of me liked the beginning of the show, because it had an Alias like feel to it with wrapping up the Booth is dead thing.

However the rest of the show did not make much sense to me at all. I can understand Zach not being the same since thats how they have had his character acting from the time he has been back from Iraq.

They did not continue with that, and almost had him back to being the same. Then wham this!! Makes no sense what so ever to me.

The show will not be the same with the squints acting the way they do, and Zach & Bones interactions are perfect. I know the family can't always be perfect, but I will never believe that Zach killed anyone intentionally like that.

I really don't know how they can recover from this, unless they make it out to be a scene from her book, and then act like it never happened.

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#828570 - 05/26/08 07:15 PM Re: Bones [Re: Mangoness]
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I'm not sure what you mean about how Zach was at the start of the season. Could you elaborate, please? I've forgotten, I guess.

I have faith in the writers, they've never let me down, yet. I'll wait until I see where they go with this story next season before deciding.
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#828571 - 05/27/08 10:57 AM Re: Bones [Re: francheeta]
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He was stand offish when he came back from Iraq, and did not speak much & seemed even more distant from the rest. At least thats what I remember saying to my husband that something was off about him.

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#828572 - 05/28/08 03:06 AM Re: Bones [Re: Mangoness]
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He was stand offish when he came back from Iraq, and did not speak much & seemed even more distant from the rest. At least thats what I remember saying to my husband that something was off about him.





Okay, thanks, Mangoness. I do sort of recall that. Didn't they do something where Zach spoke to Booth or Brennan about his Iraq experiences a few episodes in?
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#828573 - 05/28/08 05:55 AM Re: Bones [Re: francheeta]
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I remember maybe a sentence or two, but really if its forgettable then they didn't do it right.

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#828574 - 05/28/08 10:31 AM Re: Bones [Re: francheeta]
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And how could they keep him on the show if he's in a psychiatric hospital?






I read that they will be using him as a resource to help with cases...like Hannibal Lechter was used in "Silence of the Lambs".

I really hate that Zach was the apprentice.
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#828575 - 05/28/08 06:39 PM Re: Bones [Re: puggy]
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And how could they keep him on the show if he's in a psychiatric hospital?






I read that they will be using him as a resource to help with cases...like Hannibal Lechter was used in "Silence of the Lambs".

I really hate that Zach was the apprentice.




Maybe that's just at first? Until whatever happens, happens with Zach.
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#850718 - 09/05/08 10:07 PM Re: Bones [Re: puggy]
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Did any of you watch the 2 hour show this week? I don't want to comment on it till I know. smile Wouldn't want to spoil anything just to find out what you all thought.

As for the Zach thing, I was very sad when the show went in that direction and would love if they can work a way to bring him back. But I think I'd only feel good about it, if it works out that he wasn't really involved and goes back to his old position.

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#850768 - 09/06/08 03:04 AM Re: Bones [Re: Amay]
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yeah, it took me a few days to watch it. Boy, I'm not sure I like the direction this show is going. I still love the chemistry with Booth and Bones, and the general camaraderie, and the cases. But first Zach, now Angela and Hodgens. WTH?

I did not buy that for their characters at all. We go from lovey dovey, totally committed to that in less than an hour? Uh huh. No way.
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#851198 - 09/07/08 10:15 PM Re: Bones [Re: francheeta]
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Thats what I wanted to talk about, but didn't want to ruin it for anyone. When they were sitting at the table and all of a sudden decided they didn't trust each other I was like WTF? I don't see it, I just don't. And I'm sorry but Cam sleeping with the ex-husband? Is there anyone she won't sleep with? Just didn't think that was such a great part of the show.

Booth and Bones are really good together and I like the chemistry, but not sure how long that can go on without something happening one way or the other. Can't judge the whole season on just the first show but I'm really not sure it's going to be as good this year as last with what's happened already. Maybe when Bones gets home and gets to spend time with Angela she'll make her wake up and see the light and maybe Booth will smack some sense into Hodgens? hehe We can only hope! They are so cute together.

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#851291 - 09/08/08 09:00 AM Re: Bones [Re: Amay]
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Yeah they are starting to make the show to much like a soap opera, and I would hate to see it go that way. Not enough squint snark for me, and thats one of the best parts of the show.

I liked that they went to England, but them all being apart really did not work for the flow of the show.

Sweets doesn't really belong in the show anymore either. They are trying to make him a Zach replacement, and I'm sorry he is no Zach.

The whole Angela & Hodgens thing was totally ridiculous, and I'm pissed that they messed with them. Let them be a happy couple, for once there is nothing wrong with that. Just frustrates me!

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#857052 - 09/24/08 04:34 PM Re: Bones [Re: Mangoness]
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I had read where both the actors playing Bones and Boothe were having more creative input into the show. I think we need to go back to letting the writers do the writing and the actors act.
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#859924 - 09/25/08 09:55 PM Re: Bones [Re: phoenix]
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It was good to see Zack in last nights show. And good to find out the truth about him killing that person. (not saying details in case someone hasn't watched yet).

My boyfriend rented the first 2 DVD's for season one so we watched 6 episodes tonight. Just can't figure out why I didn't watch this show from the start.

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#860184 - 09/26/08 02:03 AM Re: Bones [Re: Amay]
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Amay, TNT reruns Bones on Monday and Tuesday nights. happy

So glad to find out about Zach, but it's still sad, too. I knew they'd have some twist and that Zach wouldn't be leaving, so well done on that....but...

What has happened to this show's writing? Why oh why were they explaining things we've seen them do a thousand time in minute detail? Why was Sweets so shocked to find that Brennan is so literal? He's known her for 2 years and the brilliant psychologist never noticed before? Okay

The whole overprotective--way, way--overprotective Booth thing was out of character, too. Been there, seen that. Booth knows Brennan can take care of herself.

I hope they get the writing fixed soon.
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#861614 - 09/26/08 01:20 PM Re: Bones [Re: francheeta]
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I was also glad to find out about Zach & the murder. I wonder if there is a way to get him out of the loony bin soon.
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#861984 - 09/26/08 04:46 PM Re: Bones [Re: puggy]
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I'm sure there will be...perhaps right around the end of November sweeps. wink
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#863094 - 09/27/08 06:09 AM Re: Bones [Re: francheeta]
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Did anyone else notice that the actor who plays Zach looked a bit off? His face looked puffy. I hope he's not doing drugs.

Another great episode.

Oh & to me Hodgens wasn't giving Cam that much grief, but she was trying hard to put him in line. That part seemed a bit off to me too.

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#863534 - 09/27/08 11:47 AM Re: Bones [Re: Mangoness]
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He did look like he gained weight or something.
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#864104 - 09/27/08 04:18 PM Re: Bones [Re: puggy]
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I have to disagree about Hodgens. He has been insobordinate since he and Angela broke up. Telling your boss to shut up would pretty much get anyone fired.

I did think after he talked to Sweets the week before last, Hodgens would start to put his anger into perspective.

The actor playing Zach does look like he's put on a little weight in the face, but that could be the shaggy hair. Having your hair down and surrounding your face like his is does make you appear heavier.
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#864304 - 09/27/08 06:47 PM Re: Bones [Re: francheeta]
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The actor playing Zach does look like he's put on a little weight in the face, but that could be the shaggy hair. Having your hair down and surrounding your face like his is does make you appear heavier.


I was thinking it was the hair too. Though watching the first season on DVD his hair was longer and shaggy, but his face was thin. I think he's just getting older and starting to grow into himself more. I didn't think he looked bad though, just like he's been kept in a room, not able to move around a lot and eating cheap hospital type food. wink

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#1380698 - 04/20/09 04:00 AM Re: Bones [Re: puggy]
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I too love the show. It's one of my favorite tv show. I liked all episodes of season 4 that I have seen so far. I also like to watch Booth & Brennan together.

I catch up missed episodes on tv shows online. I enjoy it.
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#1420188 - 05/01/09 03:10 AM Re: Bones [Re: aaren]
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its a bit cheesy sometimes, but nevertheless i watch it every time. Sometimes actors have to go out for another job and come back, when it happens suddenly its difficult to write a good story but nevertheless, i like bones.

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#1462478 - 05/15/09 06:35 AM Re: Bones [Re: ayme]
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The episode shown on 15 May 09 was a good example of writers running out of good ideas. Then the last few minutes was filled with that obnoxious noise. Does this mean the end of "Bones"? I really liked the previous episodes.

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#1462788 - 05/15/09 08:25 AM Re: Bones [Re: Anonymous]
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The episode shown on 15 May 09 was a good example of writers running out of good ideas. Then the last few minutes was filled with that obnoxious noise. Does this mean the end of "Bones"? I really liked the previous episodes.


I felt the same way. What a stupid season finale. The only good thing about it was seeing all the familiar faces. Especially Zach. Oh and now Booth has Amnesia? raspberry
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#1469218 - 05/17/09 03:31 PM Re: Bones [Re: Trixiebell]
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I liked it. Was away to get the two together without really doing it. I liked how the roles were all mixed up.

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#1471458 - 05/18/09 12:16 AM Re: Bones [Re: Mangoness]
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I liked it, too. But they did tell us this wouldn't be a dream or part of Booth's tumor or anything..and they went back on that. It wasn't happening for real as we were all but told. Since it was Brennan's book it was Brennan's fantasy.

Loved seeing the alternate universe and all the characters in oddly similar roles. Zach...I miss him. frown

It was kind of a letdown for a finale...more a filler episode, and the backlash from the misdirection of all involved is big.
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#1541346 - 06/16/09 11:48 PM Re: Bones [Re: puggy]
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I'm a huge Bones fan and have always liked how they mixed the cases with the natural progression of Booth.Last season was an interesting season.

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#1592816 - 07/16/09 04:12 AM Re: Bones [Re: puggy]
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The character are really amazing.This is one of the Best Medical Drama for me.The dialogue is sharp, the acting is spot on; the characters are fun and well defined and each episode is worth watching.

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