WOWOWOWOw!!!!! That was great it went back to the original show. There is alot to talk about.

Claire. I never saw that coming, >:( I hate Sylar. I wonder why she doesn't feel pain any more.

Future Peter. I never expected that it was Peter who shot Nathan. He sure has caused alot of problems. I agree with his mom go home.
Linderman Ghost?? hallucination??

Vicky is she Nicky? I think so and my son came up with a great idea why her power is different. Another personality a different power. And where is Micah and the girls he is with.

the Cops story seems interesting but I am guessing that will happen in future shows. And what is that drwing? What does it mean? And wasn't it also on a wall behind Peter??

Hiro. Great he and Ando are back. But what is the formula. What does it mean? I like his nemesis but have a real problem with her power. If she runs at light spped how can she stop and talk to Hiro? I don't get it.

Finally the level 5 escapees. Should be exciting. My stupid PVR cut off while Nathan's mom was tending to Sylar. But having watched the hour pre-episode I knew how it ended. Did I miss anything else?? I did catch a bit of next weeks preview. Syler and HRG as partners.

I enjoyed the episode but did have a few gripes.
Didn't like Hiro opening the safe right being instructed not to. Kind of a clumsy plot mechanism imo.
Didn't like Mohinder flipping in the space of a few seconds from trying to find out how to take away abilities to giving abilities. He injects himself and now we have him doing Jeff Goldblum in The Fly.
Did Mya's accent mutate? She has very little accent this season.

Mohinder's ability seems all over the place. Is he super strong, super fast, super flexible? All three seems like a jump the shark moment. Maya, ick. Can't stand her.

Did Mama Pertelli mean she is Sylar's biological mother? If so, wow. Interesting twist, since only Peter has enough firepower to go up against Sylar. Brother verses brother.

Is Nathan going crazy? He now sees dead people? I don't think Linderman is alive or healed Nathan. I believe Peter healed him.

Hiro's story looks interesting, so does Matt's and Claire's. I feel so bad for Claire, though.

Did anyone else think of Halloween when Claire was in the closet?

I'm over the Nikki/Jessica/Tracy story. They should have just killed her off. No, I don't think a different personality has a different power. Jessica and Nikki had the same power--super strength. I also think the reporter guy--the one who played Greatest American Hero--will be back. He'll have some kind of power. They lingered over the ice and water going down the drain for too long to not be important. Micah and his cousin aren't on the show anymore. I don't know if they'll explain this or not.

Peter's journey looks to be the most interesting again. Of course he changed things by coming back, but the future isn't set in stone.

I wonder how he put present Peter in Jesse. And does present Peter have his powers or Jesse's?

Love the Elle character. and I can't wait to see how we go from good Ando to the one in Hiro's future.

Well we don't know if future Ando is evil or not. He may have betrayed Hiro or only Hiro thinks he does. Also I am wondering when and where Ando got his power.

Second I don't think Nicki has any power. In order to manifest her power she becomes Jessica. Second freezing someone is not super strength so how could it not be a new power???



I am so happy. An intelligent show on to talk about and argue about. And to share opinions and ideas. Funny how we all watch the same show and yet see and believe different things.

I never said Ando was evil.

And yes Nikki had a power, not just Jessica. First you're assuming that Tracy is Nikki/Jessica, which would be almost impossible. Nikki was in Louisiana on the same day Nathan was shot saving Micah and Monica. While we saw Tracy in New York City with the Governor at the same time.

Also Tracy is obviously known by the characters she interacts with, not someone that just that minute showed up.

Without some time shifting, which isn't impossible on this show, Nikki can't be Tracy. My guess is she's another sister/triplet. But we shall see what the show comes up with.

Oh got you. I guess I was assuming she was Nicki. I never thought of her as a triplet, DOH!!!

I don't like that Claire is bad in the future because she doesn't "feel anything". No, she doesn't feel pain, but she still feels emotions, and that is what is important! That is what makes you human, imo. She is feeling sorry for herself for not being able to feel pain....get over it! You have emotions, you are human!

Ok, I just got to see the premiere this afternoon.

My opinion?

Boy, did that f'ing suck!!!!


No wonder the ratings for this show are tanking!

Why didn't you like the show, ragin?

It was BORING!!!!!!

Other than the "reveal" in the final minute, the rest of the two hours was just one big setup, and that's not how you should do a season premiere. For a show like this, I want action, not pathos!

Glad to see I'm not the only one picking the show apart.

First what I liked;

"Are you going to eat my brain?" "That's disgusting!" Great shout out to all the internet speculators.

Also liked Matt thinking the tortoise was talking to him.

I'm over Sylar. Don't find him scary anymore BUT, if they are keeping him around, I do like that they seem to be trying to do something different with him.

What I didn't like;

Nikki was dead! She was gone! It was a done deal! I don't need to see her brought back as what is obviously the twin sister who was supposed to have died! People, meet the real Jessica.

Peter apparently gets really stupid in the future (must have absorbed some sort of lobotomy power) but what can you expect from a 30-something guy that chases teenage women. Oh wait, that's him in real life (icky!). Hard to follow that Peter's humble character would become arrogant enough to try and fiddle with time.

and where the Hell did he get that scar? Peter can heal! What happened? Did his whole face get ripped off?

Speaking of out of character, why would Hiro open the safe? His past actions would not seem to indicate that he was this childish ("I don't wanna be a sentinel! I wanna be a HERO!") and why didn't he just go back in time and get his father to switch the paper in the safe with a fake formula? Unlike Peter, Hiro was meticulous in his ealier time fiddling.

Also speaking of out of character, have you ever met a scientist that would be so foolhardy as to inject themself with an experiment with NO testing? It was reminding me of this movie I saw where a guy combines his DNA with a fly and gets all of these super fly powers... I think it was called... Spiderman.

So now Claire can't die. What the Hell happened to "Save the Cheerleader, save the world". I thought Sylar had killed her in that other timeline.

One other thing that I did like.

Wasn't that reporter the guy who used to star in Greatest American Hero?

Believe it or not, I’m walking on air.
I never thought I could feel so free.
Flying away on a wing and a prayer.
Who could it be?
Believe it or not it’s just me.

Dang! If only he hadn't left that suit at home. THEN I'll bet Tracy would have been sorry!

My boyfriend had the same exact reaction and thought about Peter's scar. It doesn't make any sense, except to make it more obvious who was Peter from the future and who is Peter from the present.

I also didn't get why someone would inject themselves like that. Someone else referenced the movie "The Fly" and thats exactly what came to my mind.

As for Claire, we came up with the thought that the only way she can die is to have her head cut off? We know she can grow a toe back, but what if the heart and brain are disconnected? There would be no blood going to the brain to tell it to regrow. Just like I would think she couldn't live without a heart. If there was no blood pumping at all, nothing would get a signal. Not to say being stabbed in the heart, but what if it was completely ripped from her chest and then stabbed? I think her not being able to die is just a little to over the top, even for that show. Everything has a weakness, every super hero, super villain, everything.

Wait! If you cut Claire in half... would each half grow into a new Claire?

I watched the premiere last night and strongly agree with many of the dislikes previously posted in this thread. Simply put, Heroes has jumped the shark. The four key moments: 1) Claire in the closet. Sylar is arguably the most powerful being on earth and he cant bust a door open? 2) The sudden changes in character for Mohinder and Hiro. Hiro wants to be a hero, but he's not stupid. Likewise, Mohinder's observations as one without super powers no longer apply. 3) Sylar being a Petrelli. For some reason, this reeked of "stunt move" 4) Nikki/Tracy and Linderman coming back. Issac sure got the short end of the stick by being the only character to stay dead. Nikki went out in a blaze of glory last year and it should have stayed that way.

And so, it was with great sadness, that I booted the show off my DVR last night.

Too bad you didn't watch episode 2. Nicki is dead we saw her body and coffin. Second at first I did think she was a triplet because Micah found that she was born in the same hospital,on the same date by the same doctor as Nicki. But when she went to see the doctor he said he made her. So I am thinking she is a clone.

As for Sylar being her son wasn't there some speculation on this board last season that he might be Peter's brother as their powers are similar? I am liking the story of Sylar being helpful. What I can't figure out is what hold the mother has over him. Is it part of her power?

I agree with you about Mohinder.

Yes Sylar could have blasted the door open but I think he got off on scaring the bejeebies out of her.

I agree with you, Trixie. I now think Nikki/Jessica/Tracy are clones, and there could be more of them. I remember this movie from the 70's that had a girl named Anna who was cloned into about 12 other Anna's.

Sylar isn't the all powerful being he was in Season 1. He Lost a lot of his powers and now he only has 2 or 3. Peter is far, far more powerful.

I can't recall, have they ever explained to us what Sylar's original power was exactly?

Sylar's original power was the ability to take the powers of others. Suresh's father did all that testing and had concluded that he had no power until Sylar met the telekinetic guy and found that he could see how it worked.

Interesting to see Claire's dad watch Sylar do his thing so he could figure it out.

The scene with Claire & her real mom was interesting, but that probably just pushed her further into what she wanted to do.

I don't see how Claire would have any cheer leading abilities at all with how much she has missed school. Or maybe it just seems like she is always missing school.

I'm hanging onto the show, but they better improve it some.

Thanks!

That makes more sense. So Sylar's power is similar to Peter's. Peter is still more powerful, at least Future Peter. Present Peter doesn't seem to know how to harness all the powers he has yet.

Would the Haitian not block Sylar's power(s) all the time?

Can the Haitian block powers? I don't remember.

I suppose he could make Sylar forget that he ever had powers.

I thought that's what the Haition did to Hiro and speedy girl.

I had taped the episode and only saw it last night.

Future Peter is pretty unstoppable. Too bad he's so focused on stopping Nathan.

Welcome to Zappy, willie.

No wonder you didn't remember, Canuck.